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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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billiam wrote: post #461
patcon wrote: post #266

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fwiw, there are two SF-is-a-hellhole narratives, and this turn of events reflects differently through the prism of each: - narrative A (looking "up"): where the upper-class technologists are the reason for the social precarity-based hellscape experienced by the lower-class residents - narrative B (looking "down"): where the crime of the lower-class is the cause of the fearful crime-based hellscape experienced by the…

A lot of it is about the unique culture of this city, which has been both gleaming boomtown and garbage-strewn opium den since, oh 1848. It's always been a place where you do your own thing on the street and no one bothers you, which is why thousands die of overdoses while people walk around them without getting their Allbirds dirty. We need to take better care of each other.

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Post by dang »

curo wrote: post #551

> The alleged killer also works in tech and is a man Lee purportedly knew. I commented below but the IT consulting LLC in the bio is inactive (both in the division of corp website and online). Is that the only evidence here for the statement above?

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35555859.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by vasilipupkin »

wpietri wrote: post #505
vasilipupkin wrote: post #487

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I don't understand this mentality. https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Uni... there is no reason that SF has to be a lot less safe than Zurich. Zurich is not populated by aliens, people live in both places It's political choices that make it the way it is.

It is political choices, but it's not primarily on a city level, or a year-to-year level. The problems in San Francisco are generations in the making and often national in cause. You might read Loewen's "Sundown Towns" for a good look at a key factor to understanding American cities. The "mentality" here is one appropriate for the person and the circumstance. As you say, his neighbors weren't aliens, they were people…

I did not say this mentality is not appropriate for one person. And I didn't say that compassion is not a worthwhile effort, so I am not sure what you are responding to.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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curo wrote: post #549

Is the "Expand IT, Inc" on the LinkedIn profile the only evidence that the "alleged killer also works in tech and is a man Lee purportedly knew." There's comments is this thread of amazing journalism but the LLC shows as inactive on the Division of CA website (entity 201008110204) and the Expand IT website itself is dead. For all we know, this is a Lyft or Uber driver. Unless I'm missing some SFPD statement known to…

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Post by sgt »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #539
Aeroi wrote: post #452

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> were both gay men Bob wasn’t gay. (EDIT: Never mind!) A man can have hooked up with guys and not be gay as much as a gay man can have hooked up with women and not be straight or bi. More importantly, we don’t have any evidence they were lovers.

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Post by P_I_Staker »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #553
asynchronous wrote: post #211

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I don’t understand why it can’t be both: SF is degenerating when it comes to random crime AND this murder wasn’t by some random thug. I remember reading blog after blog on HN about people moving out of SF specifically for what the city had become.

The linked article specifically shows that violent crime in SF is at an all time low, and lower than most other comparably sized cities.

Didn't SF used to be freaking scary prior to blowing up? I've heard people talk about it like they do Miami, Baltimore, Detroit, ect.

An undesirable place that washed up people ended up, riddled with crime and violence.

I think I might be getting the story wrong, but I recall hearing there used to be much more crime.

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Post by vasilipupkin »

Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #559
vasilipupkin wrote: post #487

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I don't understand this mentality. https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Uni... there is no reason that SF has to be a lot less safe than Zurich. Zurich is not populated by aliens, people live in both places It's political choices that make it the way it is.

> there is no reason that SF has to be a lot less safe than Zurich. Lack of Nazi gold to prop up a social net, which can later be defended tooth and nail with strong anti immigration policies while newer streams of illegal money such as mexican cartels are adquiered. Maybe SF does not want money laundering for some of the worst people on the planet, to be its identity. But hey I guess the rolex watches and chocolate…

this comment makes no sense, what does Nazi gold have to do with safety? San Francisco is just as wealthy as Zurich if not more so.

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Post by TheKarateKid »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #520
simplotek wrote: post #507

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> Y'all colonized the poorest parts of the city and gave the poorest folks nowhere to go, and you still complain when they dare to pop up where you are. What leads you to conflate poverty with criminal activity, and proceed to victim-blame those who dare complain about criminal activity?

Equating poor people with criminals is indeed quite discriminatory. It’s ironic to see that used in a statement from someone who believes themselves to be taking the moral high ground.

The equation he made isn't wrong, but it contradicts the fact that OP is criticizing people who agree with what they said themselves.

Data clearly shows a correlation between crime levels and average income in an area. Are we not mostly engineers used to working with data here? In fact, needing to "survive" is a common excuse used to justify the crimes committed in impoverished areas. Note that I said correlation, not causation. If someone has data that says otherwise, please provide it because I would be genuinely intrigued.

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Post by jstarfish »

DoughnutHole wrote: post #295
BurningFrog wrote: post #251

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I have no evidence beyond gut feel, but I think the tech population is probably above average in mental illness.

If you're a techie then you're not mentally ill, you're eccentric .

I've seen the same euphemism used to pave over outright criminality.

Remember: If it smells like fraud, it's just eccentricity!

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