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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

There's 100s of different hypothesis for the cause, but it's all just a different flavor of wealth inequality. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. This promotes all types of corruption. The rich can usually avoid the stench and filth of the poor so they don't invest their money in solving it. Now the poorness is festering. This is a problem that will not get solved without taxes, and it proba…

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I find it shocking that anyone still chooses to live in this broken city. I left >4 years ago and am never coming back. It's unfixable. Let's move the tech industry somewhere that isn't rotten to the core.

Anyone who spent considerable time in SF before the most recent tech boom would likely argue that it was the tech industry that caused the rot in the first place.

The foundation of safe cities is vibrant local communities with historic roots. Parts of the city where people choose to have and raise kids. Places with a sense of shared community where neighbors look out for each other.

The rapid influx of extremely high income individuals transformed SF over the course of the last decade. Uprooting those communities and replacing them with largely transient techworkers with no real interest in forming communities that don't help them to increase their TC and level up with their next new role.

Then when tech declines you really see the impact this has.

SF was treated as basically a luxury mall for rich tech workers to get whatever they want whenever they want. As tech workers start to leave it's no wonder the city feels like an abandoned mall.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I find it shocking that anyone still chooses to live in this broken city. I left >4 years ago and am never coming back. It's unfixable. Let's move the tech industry somewhere that isn't rotten to the core.

Or, let’s decentralize the center of the tech universe so that everyone can prosper and we don’t fall into this trap again.

Sharing experience as someone who has lived in SF and around the Bay Area, and now has moved to another popular US city. At least pre-pandemic, there is a vibe difference, a sort of "magic" of having the expertise colocated (not necessarily in office though!). The best I can analogize it is imagine the networking value of being at a tech conference all the time. You'd meet people and they would know what you meant when you described your job, and you could have a conversation with them about it. Versus where I'm at now, people simply do not get it, you talk with them about tech things and their eyes glaze over, they discount you as "nerd" and usually remove themselves from the conversation. The sharing of ideas is far better than any online community (HN included) than I've ever experienced. It's hard to convey, you truly have to live it to feel the difference.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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In this thread everyone blaming homeless and the poor without any context of who the perpetrator is. It’s a big leap from shoplifting to a stabbing/murder. Also consider that even if the shoplifting/car break ins is being committed by the poor, they could be being directed by organized crime which is quite active in the area (look at the high profile heists in downtown that occurred in the past few years). The car br…

Crime requires force. If you are stealing stuff, especially ala mugging, you need a threat. It's a short jump to actually stabbing someone. This wasn't some kind of hitman assassination.

You are assuming there is no motive for someone in his circle or that he personally knows to commit this kind of crime.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

#565

I find it shocking that anyone still chooses to live in this broken city. I left >4 years ago and am never coming back. It's unfixable. Let's move the tech industry somewhere that isn't rotten to the core.

Maybe SOMA needs to double the amount of BLM, Ukraine, and trans flags?

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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In this thread everyone blaming homeless and the poor without any context of who the perpetrator is. It’s a big leap from shoplifting to a stabbing/murder. Also consider that even if the shoplifting/car break ins is being committed by the poor, they could be being directed by organized crime which is quite active in the area (look at the high profile heists in downtown that occurred in the past few years). The car br…

Crime requires force. If you are stealing stuff, especially ala mugging, you need a threat. It's a short jump to actually stabbing someone. This wasn't some kind of hitman assassination.

I witnessed a guy steal someone’s phone on the bus. When the phone owner ran out of the bus and caught him, the thief punched him in the face.

Just saying. It’s not clear to me the kind of personality that uses the threat of a weapon but it’s not going to be your average thief / shoplifter. I’m not saying it’s a hit man assassination but it could be a gang member (violence is escalated there) or a gang initiation (severe violence is a hallmark). My coworker got mugged in Austin and beaten up extremely bad. I believe the police found the people and it was a gang initiation.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

#568

I find it shocking that anyone still chooses to live in this broken city. I left >4 years ago and am never coming back. It's unfixable. Let's move the tech industry somewhere that isn't rotten to the core.

Honest question, what if the tech industry is a root cause?

How could it be? Please explain your hypothesis a bit more.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I find it shocking that anyone still chooses to live in this broken city. I left >4 years ago and am never coming back. It's unfixable. Let's move the tech industry somewhere that isn't rotten to the core.

Pacific Northwest has loads of tech giants, move up here to the woods. No reason to live in Seattle, the big kids are over in the forest in Redmond (Microsoft, Valve, etc).

> No reason to live in Seattle

Seattle is very under appreciated imo. The pandemic didn’t do it any favors but it’s more affordable than the eastside suburbs with all the things you’d want from a city plus access to nature. Not everywhere is 3rd and Pike.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

There are a few unrelated problems:

- Sf closed schools for one year and half during the COVID causing large number of families to move out. And these are people who are contrablance to ultra liberals.

- Housing crisis: Corruption within the city's permit process has resulted in the need to hire "accelerators," which exacerbates the housing crisis.

- Public education: The public school system is facing significant difficulties and is in desperate need of improvement.

- Drug policy: The implementation of safe drug consumption sites has inadvertently worsened the city's drug problem.

- Street closures: Restricting vehicle access on certain streets has negatively impacted businesses and inadvertently facilitated the spread of homeless encampments.

- Small business challenges: Overly stringent regulations, often driven by the "virtue signaling" of the super wealthy, have created a hostile environment for small businesses.

- Progressive District Attorney: The DA's policies have led to policing issues, resulting in a surge of crimes such as robberies.

- Homelessness: Despite significant spending on homelessness, inefficiencies and corruption have hindered progress. Furthermore, "virtue signaling" has taken precedence over effective solutions.

- BART safety: Following a police shooting on BART several years ago, a reduction in policing has made the transit system less safe, deterring people from using it to visit San Francisco.

These issues may be interrelated or independent, but each contributes to the city's current struggles.

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