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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by astrange »

yardie wrote: post #381
ryan93 wrote: post #320

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Not actually that common for teachers to work two jobs. Also most americans have healthcare and the ones who dont are often young and dont consume much of it. Not saying its good. But some europeans think we live in some kind of mad max hellscape.

> Not actually that common for teachers to work two jobs. Yeah, the smart ones find a better school district to work in or leave the profession entirely. None of my friends in teaching are working 2 jobs. They can find a better paying non-teaching job, easily. Our son has 8 classes and 6 teachers. The school proudly announced at the beginning of the school year they were fully staffed. Currently they are at 85% with…

> We're in a HCOL city and school board is going forward with plans to build housing for teachers because they simply can't recruit them any other way.

This is a good policy also found in safety-net-having countries like Finland.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

runjake wrote: post #503
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> I am surprised I am getting downvoted Probably for this statement: > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. and subsequently for this flamey statement: > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product. FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been t…

The MacBook Air has been solid since inception, and that machine is good enough for the vast majority of people.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by hinkley »

shantara wrote: post #10

No surprises here. The new Mac release cycle is not transparent to the consumers, and the differences between M1 and M2 are marginal for most use cases.

Apple had bigger plans for the M2 chip but they had power dissipation problems. That sort of a miss is going to affect sales.

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Post by stetrain »

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #319

Many people here say that they don’t see reason to upgrade from their M1. My first thought is that it would be ridiculous to be seeking upgrades so soon. But then doesn’t the fact that so many people here already have those M1’s mean that they have been successful? Perhaps sales are just going back to the normal apple-laptop level?

Yes, I think a lot of stories about Apple cutting production are really about reversions to the mean after big surges.

This happened back with the iPhone 6 big-screen upgrade cycle as well. So many people bought the iPhone 6 series for the new design and larger screens that the following iPhone 6S was portrayed as a sales flop, despite it selling better than the gen before the iPhone 6.

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Post by rootusrootus »

ben7799 wrote: post #349
kevinherron wrote: post #35

I doubt this is about price like some people in here are suggesting. Maybe a little bit overall market trend, but primarily I would wager it’s because many, many people bought the M1 when it came out and it’s so good that the only people buying M2 are those who waited - it’s a fine spec bump, but not something you would be tempted to upgrade from M1 for.

Same.. I have a 13" M1 that I bought right when they came out for a personal machine. For work I have a 16" i9 from 2021. The M1 is so much faster and nicer to use. Maybe if work gives me a M2 Ultra/Pro/Super/Titanium/whatever in 2024 that will make me want to replace the personal machine. But I doubt it. 90% of my computing is on my work machine and I don't get to use my personal machine for much that strains it. Th…

You have exactly the same home/work setup I have, and I have the same opinion. My 13 inch M1 kicks the crap out of my work 16 inch Intel MBP in every meaningful way that isn't screen size. And even then, I prefer the much more portable smaller laptop anyway. Quieter, faster, incredible battery life. I'm not-so-secretly hoping my 16 inch MBP will croak so I can get it replaced with M1/M2/whatever.

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Post by astrange »

agumonkey wrote: post #468
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

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> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

I run into people that are thinking the opposite. Maybe they're too contrarian but they think this is the start of a rebalance toward china / brics / non western countries.

Thinking "BRICS" exists is a red flag for contrarianism. China and India are literally in a shooting war at their border. The term was invented by Goldman Sachs. It's not an alliance.

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Post by bcrosby95 »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

FWIW I still have a system76 laptop from 2015 that's going strong. My wife's thinkpad is 13 years old by now - I've been able to keep it chugging by replacing the hard drive and memory.

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Post by oezi »

marknutter wrote: post #453
t3945234 wrote: post #284

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The United States total fertility rate (1.8 as of 2022) isn't that much different than a large chunk of Europe. Per this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d... * France, Denmark, Sweden, Ireland: 1.8 * Iceland, Czech Republic, UK, Latvia, Netherlands, Belgium, Lithuania, Norway: 1.7 * Romania, Slovenia, Estonia, Albania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Germany, Switzerland, Austria: 1.6 Yes, there's som…

All of those birthrates are terminal, technically.

That is such an odd term. As if it the birthrates could no longer change for the positive or as if it would doom countries with birthrates below 2.1 to die.

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Post by eatfish »

ornornor wrote: post #531
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. Except when they’re not and Apple tries very hard to bury the problem while the machine is still relevant, so your choices are either to pay for (expensive) repairs out of pocket or dump it and buy a different model. Then years later once the machine is obsolete for most, will they finally give in and offer a free repair to the lucky ones who have been left holding…

You forgot the stage light effect. Mysteriously Apple give a free fix/service program for the 13" models but not the 15" models. Kind of sucks if you had a 15" model that started to go bad.

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Post by mrkstu »

astrange wrote: post #556
mrkstu wrote: post #529

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And your reply neatly encapsulates why, for better or worse, the American economy is more efficient/dynamic. Those immigrating into the country know they'll have to hustle and work to survive and thrive.

No, threatening people with death isn't a good way to get dynamism. The American middle class healthcare system, employer plans, is specifically designed to reduce dynamism by making it harder to quit your job. There's other advantages but not that one.

Those w/o means have Medicaid and those with minimal means have Obamacare- you're a little out of date with that specific complaint.
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