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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by Claude_Shannon »

pharmakom wrote: post #428
testHNac wrote: post #244

Reading some of the comments about coding and AI got me thinking. Can modern AI come up with new Javscript libraries, Open source projects, Browser Specifications etc The new way of doing things that improve things. When most people start using AI to make their work easier. Then very few people will develop the competency to create new things, innovate. At some point will that cause progress to slow down ?

It’s gonna be tough as a junior dev in the near future. I’m very grateful that I managed to upskill so much before all this happens. In the worst case, I’ll have a crappy job directing and debugging AI output… but in the best case, we have reached AGI.

Yeah...

How will one be able to find a job when AI will do way better than junior? Of course, seniors will be better. But interns? Why would you pay for lesser quality?

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Post by m348e912 »

precompute wrote: post #333
pdc56 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious - on a scale out of 10, how much of that was written by ChatGPT? No offense intended - if the answer is zero, my apologies

I don't think it was written by a LLM, the words have a warmth that generated text lacks. Plus you can tell it's written as if it's half-spoken.

I think being able to identify LLM generated text would be a nice skill to have, but unfortunately I don't think it's as easy as you think it is.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by somethingreen »

elforce002 wrote: post #437

The discussion is creating 3 groups: First group is sure AI will be an enabler and it won't replace them; The second group is saying AI won't replace them at least in the near future (1~10 years); Then we have the third group, which is basically the sentiment the op is living rn: AI is taking away their hopes, dreams, and livelihood. Now, I think we'll see the strongest counterculture in human history against AI and…

That's how I see it too. Big neo-luddite movement, anti-AI unions, "AI Free" labeling with corresponding certification, registries of AI users (and witch hunts of course), AIs being weaponized to destroy or corrupt other AIs.

AI providers need to be at the forefront of lobbying for reasonable AI control laws, or they are up for a rude awakening.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

philwelch wrote: post #539
elforce002 wrote: post #437

The discussion is creating 3 groups: First group is sure AI will be an enabler and it won't replace them; The second group is saying AI won't replace them at least in the near future (1~10 years); Then we have the third group, which is basically the sentiment the op is living rn: AI is taking away their hopes, dreams, and livelihood. Now, I think we'll see the strongest counterculture in human history against AI and…

If you take one look at the demographics of developed countries, the reality is that we absolutely need to replace the majority of human labor in order to maintain any sustainable material standard of living. Old age entitlements are a ticking time bomb, with fewer workers in each generation to support the growing share of longer and longer lived retirees. You want social unrest, take a look at France, which is on fi…

Firstly, we are talking in this thread about intellectual, not physical labour. There's no AI or robot forthcoming that will replace (already brutally underpaid) personal support workers or nurses in nursing homes. Instead it's the higher paying or more satisfying intellectual, artisan, and creative work done by those senior's children that are on the chopping block.

Secondly, even if jobs are automated to support the aging population, the economic model we have doesn't facilitate this leading to an improved life. The incentives to automate in our market economy are strong, and produce amazing efficiencies. Unfortunately that incentive is to reduce labour costs, and there's always a period of unemployment and reskilling afterwards. And in places like the US, unemployment = no health care, among other insecurities.

And in the past a lucky few reskilled towards more intellectual, creative, or informational-managerial jobs. Turns out those will be easier to automate than we thought.

Building a robot is expensive. Automating a factory a huge capital investment.

But once the R&D phase is done, reproducing and distributing software is dirt cheap. Machine automation of intellectual tasks will happen far more rapidly and with more brutal results than factory automation ever has.

The Alvin Toffler fantasy of information age prosperity looks more preposterous every day.

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Post by elforce002 »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #559
elforce002 wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

C'mon man. It's not that far fetched. I'm not saying that this will happen tomorrow but if ai gets "there", we don't want to see desperation on a global scale.

The idea that technological innovation is going to destroy the middle class isn’t exactly far fetched, it’s more just blatantly stupid. No economy has ever destroyed its middle class through technological innovation. This will never happen. Technological innovation is one of the primary factors that led to the rise of the middle class to begin with…

We have 2 scenarios here:

- AI will create more jobs (group 1); - AI will destroy the middle class (group 3).

This is not trial and error. These are people's lives we're talking about. Families, children, etc...

Let's hope this innovation won't cause any bad scenario to occur.

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Post by lunfard000 »

anon7725 wrote: post #276
lunfard000 wrote: post #216

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Let's not pretend that is just altruism why people "open-source" their art or code. Most of them do it to get noticed.

The benefits of openness compound irrespective of the motivations of creators.

you could argue that this LLM's will benefit more users than the produced value itself lost on sea of SEO garbage. But my point is that the openness wont stop because people will still need to show their craft for better employment opportunities.

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Post by juvvel »

HervalFreire wrote: post #552
juvvel wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comments like this always read as "we can already extrapolate that everything we do will be done better by a machine soon". Pushing back against this argument isn't just ignorance or avoidance of change. It just asks the relevant question of whether we can be so sure that AI does everything "better". But how dare we challenge the hubris of tech bros, right?

Naw there are many possible futures. There is nothing saying the trendline is absolute. However... The future predicted via extrapolation of a trendline is unfortunately more probable and more realistic then a future predicted via mistrust of AI. Artists have already formed lawsuits against companies that own LLMs, this one in the article already involves an artist complaining about his job being more or less replace…

Oh, I do believe programming as a profession is at risk and will change a lot, if not rendered obsolete. What I'm talking about is this idea of "just get used to the fact that there is no human skill that won't be replicable by AI in 2-10 years". It's a very bleak view of the future and our own biological complexity. We need to remember that we are the ones inventing the AI in the first place. We are limited by our imperfect ability to understand ourselves. It will get better, sure, there will be emergent properties, but there's no need to reject the inherent value of humanity even if it happens to produce less economically viable output.

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Post by doubtfuluser »

I think this is the curse but also the opportunity of AI.

OP can now do the same work they did before in just 2-3 days. Could they now open their own studio and offer services for many customers on their own instead of working for one company?

What will happen with indie games or indie software? Suddenly one person who is good at inventing ideas will be able to develop whole games, with music, graphics being generated by AI, coding heavily supported by AI (not _yet_ fully taken over), marketing, etc also supported by Ai. My hope is that this will result in a lot more new startups that will also create a lot more jobs. Maybe the ultimate losers will be big-corporations who can’t build these large models on their own and are unwilling to call external services for fear of their data, or who are simply too slow to adapt.

I often think that what is happening right now is actually a prototype example of what is described in the “innovator’s dilemma” disruption.

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Post by amelius »

ben_w wrote: post #493
amelius wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I can tell you that the first time I see some sufficiently advanced AI walking in the streets between the public, I will grab my baseball bat and smash it to pieces.

I find it curious that even here there are people who conflate a robot body with an artificial mind. Sure, you can put the computer running the mind that controls the body into the body itself, and there might even be good reasons to given spotty wifi or mobile data, but you don't have to. Also: why embody them in human form at all? https://www.tesla.com/drive https://www.bostondynamics.com/products/spot https://www.…

> I find it curious that even here there are people who conflate a robot body with an artificial mind.

You are trying to read things in my comment that are not there. It's _not_ about destroying the actual machine. It's about drawing a line.

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Post by elforce002 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #564
philwelch wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you take one look at the demographics of developed countries, the reality is that we absolutely need to replace the majority of human labor in order to maintain any sustainable material standard of living. Old age entitlements are a ticking time bomb, with fewer workers in each generation to support the growing share of longer and longer lived retirees. You want social unrest, take a look at France, which is on fi…

Firstly, we are talking in this thread about intellectual, not physical labour. There's no AI or robot forthcoming that will replace (already brutally underpaid) personal support workers or nurses in nursing homes. Instead it's the higher paying or more satisfying intellectual, artisan, and creative work done by those senior's children that are on the chopping block. Secondly, even if jobs are automated to support th…

100% agreed with you. The more we go down the rabbit hole, the more we see there's no utopia at the of the tunnel.
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