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Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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Here's my current thinking on the impact of GPT-4 on the developer job market: - I expect developer productivity to go up 1.5x - 15x over the next several years assuming GTP-4 based tooling is integrated into IDEs. - There will be two opposing forces acting on developer wages. First, developers will be more productive, therefore the price of one hour of work should go up. But - the supply of developer output will inc…

Supply generally doesn't decrease cost fyi

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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Tell ChatGPT it's a product manager overseeing engineers and providing executive summaries. Create a system that feeds executive emails inquiring about project statuses into ChatGPT and emails the developers asking for updates. Developers reply with jargon-heavy details about tickets for next milestone, ChatGPT writes an executive summary that eliminates jargon and sends to executives. Not the full job, but it can pr…

This is a project managers job not a engineering managers job.

Titles--bloody titles! The AI doesn't care what its title is.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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Like you I found that ChatGPT is not really all that great at coding, but great when you ask it to do very specific grunt work. I'm working on a new database and one thing I found it super useful for is generating test data, I would just tell it: "here's the CREATE TABLE statement, create 50 rows of test data off of it, with all of these specifications: this has to be this, that can only be 1 or 2, yada yada yada. >…

Gpt4 is on another level but still very far from being able to do work on anything larger than a medium sized class

gpt-4-32k is yet on another level. I think a gpt-4-32m would replace any senior engineer working on a complex code base.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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I love to code, as much as I loved math in college, but coding paid better and I'm pretty good at it. Those were my choices though b/c I want to do something I love. Sure, I keep my eye on the "Delivered Value" by making sure I engineer solutions to real problems, but I've never wanted to move out of coding and into managing engineers to build stuff. I want to code. It seems to me that the advice given here would be…

I ultimately decided to leave tech when I realized I didn't care much about delivering value and actually just wanted to write beautiful code. The former was a nice bonus for me, but the latter was profoundly captivating.

I'd unfortunately tried to make that mismatch work for too long, and as a result I completely destroyed all of my programming interest via severe burnout.

If this resonates with whoever reads this: please take your passion seriously and protect it. I don't know if I'll ever be able to enjoy coding again, unfortunately.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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As a self-taught polymath, I did a lot of research many years ago on how good teams create good products. I reached some unusual conclusions at the time, but they've stood the test of time. The main one in regards to John's tweet is this: desired behavior has to "force" out code and architecture. Typically teams and individual developers carry a lot of presumptions and assumptions into their solution space. They prob…

Calling yourself a polymath is akin to calling your self a genius.

this is a bit exaggerated.

Polymath > A polymath is an individual whose knowledge spans a substantial number of subjects, known to draw on complex bodies of knowledge to solve specific problems.

If that's who you are, there's no shame in identifying as so. Don't let hacker news comments gatekeep you.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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Here on HN everybody thinks they are going to be paid half a million a year.

Even if they did get paid half a mil, after tax it’s what a contractor earns in the uk. Probably have to pay private health care too and the cost of living is high. Not that much left.

Citation needed. https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/contracts/uk/software%20engine...

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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I love to code, as much as I loved math in college, but coding paid better and I'm pretty good at it. Those were my choices though b/c I want to do something I love. Sure, I keep my eye on the "Delivered Value" by making sure I engineer solutions to real problems, but I've never wanted to move out of coding and into managing engineers to build stuff. I want to code. It seems to me that the advice given here would be…

You're like someone in the days of horses and buggies who rode horses not for getting from A to B but for enjoyment of riding horses.

Most didn't.

Programming in the traditional sense will be obsolete and people programming for the fun of it will be a niche thing.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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And the way to get back at PHB is to form a tech lead software company and hire 0 people with MBAs.

Is that truly fair though. I have no exposure to MBAs and it may be all the negative talk about them is based on the conspicuously bad ones. I'm speaking as an IT person with very little experience of running a business, and it may be that a good MBA could be a great asset. I genuinely don't know. I'm reminded of reading about a Lisp machine company that ran into the ground because it was managed by techies. Their te…

MBAs are HN’s favorite punching bags. They are the only stereotype that it’s still ok to blanket-generalize about and dunk on here.

Some MBAs are dumbasses. Some are brilliant business people. Some of them actually have tech skills and have been writing software longer than you’ve been alive. This is true for many degrees.

I don’t know how some of the anti-MBA commenters think it works: A smart software engineer goes off to business school, gets an MBA in addition to his undergrad technical degree/experience, and now… what? He’s somehow dumber? How does that work? Only on HN.

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