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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by TMWNN »

iggldiggl wrote: post #368
partiallypro wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is genuinely very very good. It does have some dev tool problems that I've run into, but for browser it's top notch.

It seems to have inherited Chrome's amnesiac address bar search. Firefox never has any trouble showing appropriate search results from my local history, whereas on the occasional occasion that I need to test something with Edge, it's always a crapshoot whether the address bar search will return anything at all, or (with live search suggestions disabled) stay maddeningly empty, even when the page in question is defini…

>It seems to have inherited Chrome's amnesiac address bar search.

On the other hand, I'm surprised to see that on MacOS Edge properly shows the search/URL bar in full screen if I move the cursor to the top of the screen or push Command-L, something Chrome *still* can't do without enabling "Always Show Toolbar in Full Screen", which I don't want. This alone, plus Edge being compatible with all Chrome extensions, might cause me to switch.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by trelane »

robertlagrant wrote: post #446
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #441

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It'd be the overtaking of the century. Let's see. Bing market share in the US = Edge market share in the US = 50% of internet traffic comes from phones). Even if they get 100% of Google searches on Edge-devices to go to Bing (which they'll be lucky if they even get to 50% on their platforms) - it will hardly do anything... The rate at which Edge is becoming irrelevant as people transition traffic to laptops (more lik…

I disagree, but for totally different reasons. I think Edge's advantage is MS could build a load of corporately validated plugins and service in it for employees, making it the de facto corporate browser. Then with some decent features around work/life separation with bookmarks and password management and it could easily start bleeding back into consumerland.

> I think Edge's advantage is MS could build a load of corporately validated plugins and service in it for employees, making it the de facto corporate browser.

Man, I really don't want another IE. I was around back then, it was miserable.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by bastardoperator »

ycta20221203980 wrote: post #62
partiallypro wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is genuinely very very good. It does have some dev tool problems that I've run into, but for browser it's top notch.

I like Edge and I want to like Bing but my problem is that the new tab page on Edge and the landing page on (current) Bing are so bad. They're full of random junk and articles I don't want to see. I'll switch to Bing full time if they just make the landing page clean.

Make your own customized landing page that is better/cleaner. There are many home/start page projects on GitHub you can use almost immediately:

https://github.com/perfect-things/perfect-home

https://github.com/anic17/homepage

https://github.com/Lissy93/dashy

https://github.com/benphelps/homepage

https://github.com/jeroenpardon/sui

https://github.com/pawelmalak/flame

https://github.com/migueravila/Bento

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by dmix »

seydor wrote: post #328
jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

I think it's time to end the concept of AGI. Language models are the closest we have to Useful AI that people want. Intelligence is an undefined hazy concept , but usefulness is not

It's certainly useful for doomers drumming up fear.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by lerchmo »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #538
unoti wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. I'm not so sure. Imagine having a human assistant that's smart enough to pass the bar, get an MBA, pass medical exams, and knows how to work on your car, and is good at brainstorming, and and and... And having that person do searches for you. Are you sure that working with this assistant would…

Oh the chatbots absolutely have the potential to create tons of value. The question is if its creator can harvest it/how much will be left with the consumer vs the producer. I suspect that it will still be very difficult to get people to sign up for subscriptions and advertising will be less effective than current search advertising so the chatbot creator will have difficult harvesting the value they create.

It’s the innovators dillema. Google is selling the answers to questions for millions of dollars per day. If their bot answers with ads, people will use another bot.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by bastardoperator »

jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

How can you make a comment like this when you don't have access to the research that is being generated? These are just grandiose statements/opinions that aren't rooted in facts or quantifiable data which in my opinion is also quite irresponsible.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by dmix »

paulpan wrote: post #28

Most interesting tidbits: 1 - Sam Altman onstage all but confirmed the underlying LLM model as GPT-4 as he kept saying "next gen" without providing a name 2 - Microsoft is all-in by making this front-and-center of Bing, as well as deep integration into Edge browser I'm most curious about how Microsoft is planning to pay for the infrastructure cost of serving the traffic.

> Sam Altman onstage

Do you mean his interview 3 weeks ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVcJJZz9P4U

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by didntreadarticl »

bbor wrote: post #479
jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

Can anyone link a credible expert who thinks that LLMs could ever evolve into AGI? Every single source I’ve read said that while LLMs are competent at language and certain tasks, they are conceptually completely distinct from the basic components of an AGI. For example, they lack structured knowledge and metacognition.

John Carmack (ex Oculus, Id software) just had a really good interview about this:

https://dallasinnovates.com/exclusive-qa-john-carmacks-diffe...

To summarise: he thinks we've got most of the pieces now to maybe get within reach of a useful AGI (he likens it to a worker you instantiate in the cloud who can do tasks for you like a colleague) and I think he's saying some of the techniques used to make LLMs could be part of the solution

I think that, almost certainly, the tools that we’ve got from deep learning in this last decade—we’ll be able to ride those to artificial general intelligence.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by jasondigitized »

epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Rumors of Google’s demise are greatly exaggerated
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