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Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by kcplate »

cercatrova wrote: post #344
beowulfey wrote: post #238

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Employees often depend on prior employers as references and for social connections. It is rare that anyone would actually walk out without notice, as doing so would almost always hurt their careers even if that job was truly shitty (the old adage to “never burn bridges” does apply!). Employers do not experience this same effect. Even if lots of people get laid off from a company without notice, there will almost alwa…

> Employees often depend on prior employers as references Not really. I have not once been asked for references from previous companies.

Mainly because many companies now have policies that will only communicate three things about former employee: time employed, ending salary, and eligibility for re-hire.

You might make an assumption from the last item, but without specific details and by the time you might be confirming employment the ineligibility for rehire likely will not disqualify the candidate…especially if other former employers have you tagged as eligible.

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Post by kazen44 »

Archelaos wrote: post #473
Y-bar wrote: post #391

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Unions. Not just for fancy Europeans and factory workers. If your colleagues gets fired for some bs reason you and your other colleagues can stand for each other by striking.

... and codetermination. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany

exists in most northern and western european companies aswell.. Unions in europe also seem far less militant than those in the US.

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Post by ac29 »

whateveracct wrote: post #530
whateveracct wrote: post #380

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there's legislation around layoffs you can't handwave with "at will"

For the downvoters - google the WARN act

The WARN act only means you need to give 60 days notice in certain types of mass layoffs. Given that Twitter hasnt done any mass layoffs yet, speculating on whether or not they gave enough notice under the act is a bit premature.

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Post by ketzo »

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Loathe to give outrage reposters views but here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQbHyLE6Tc The video was posted by a remote financial analyst who was visiting the SF office for the first time. She describes what amounts to maybe an hour of break time, including lunch -- the rest of her day is meetings and working time. The perks are nice, maybe too nice you could argue, but the notion that the video proves sh…

This is not the first time a twitter employee has implied a light work schedule. There were posts when the first Elon buyout rumor came around about twitter employee reporting remote work amounting to around 30 hours a week.. This just adds fuel to the fire that for the most part Twitter has a bunch of part time employee getting very high full time wages. Now there is a large segment of the population that believe 32…

> 1 hour of real work, couple hours of meetings

showing your biases a little too much there, aren't you?

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Post by yamazakiwi »

mikeyouse wrote: post #475
buscoquadnary wrote: post #462

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Twitter has salespeople? Like what do they sale? I'm not trying to be facetious I am just ignorant.

Anyone that has revenue has salespeople. Twitter’s (and every tech company’s) sales staff convince large companies to spend money paying for Twitter ads. A good salesperson will be mostly paid on commission for bringing huge clients who spend millions of dollars per year on advertising. Their comp is high specifically because they can sell many multiples of that comp. A salesperson that has the ability to call the he…

I'm being pedantic just for clarification but not everyone that has revenue has salespeople. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're implying a lot of companies you might think wouldn't have salespeople do in fact have them.

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Post by avrionov »

rglover wrote: post #167
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I'm all for the European don't work unpaid overtime, but what I don't get is the sense of entitlement these people had, when they were threatening to leave in advance and then decided they'd rather just stay in their cushy jobs in the hopes that Musk would change his mind. "WE WILL SHOW YOU ELON" - Show what exactly? That billing and other completely standard cookiecutter SaaS features can't be implemented by other e…

The pitfalls of extreme comfort. You have a place like the Bay Area with near perfect weather, obscene amounts of money, and at least until relatively recently, a social environment that lorded you as a "rockstar." You look at your bank account and think "yeah, I AM a Rockstar! I DO deserve this! Everybody wants to be ME!" Rinse and repeat that general attitude for ten years or so and blammo (which is even more explo…

The weather is not perfect in the Bay Area. The perfect weather is 300 miles south in Santa Barbara.

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Post by eqbridges »

sp332 wrote: post #525
eqbridges wrote: post #426

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Can you cite where it’s been said he’s firing 25% (or any significant percentage) “for cause”? The only parties being cited as fired for cause are the outgoing executives, and WaPo article at the top of this post provides reasons for that.

From WP: "Layoffs are expected to begin ahead of Nov. 1, when Twitter employees are slated to receive additional compensation related to stock grants." I think this might be the confusing part, because he's trying to claw back as much compensation as possible, maybe he's trying to avoid paying severance as well

What you're saying does not make any sense relative to the question asked.

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Post by kps »

pfisherman wrote: post #507
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> We've known that lines of code were no indication of code quality or developer productivity for well over two decades now You're severely overstating it. The difference between 500 loc and 5000 loc isn't a clear signal of anything. But zero lines of code certainly is. Firing people because the VCS shows they stopped working is common.

The true big brain 10x programmer is pushing -100 lines of code per sprint.

At a previous job I had a few months where I managed approximately minus‐1 instruction per week — and it was the best money the company ever spent. Hard constraints are hard.
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