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I found this part most interesting. Public awareness of the Delaware Court of Chancery is about to skyrocket during this court battle. The fact that Musk is working in such bad faith here — that he seems so unconcerned with law and the contract he signed — cuts both ways. On the one hand, it will certainly annoy a Delaware chancellor; Delaware likes to think of itself as a stable place for corporate deals, with predi…

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Twitter's lawyers will pursue billions in remedies through every conceivable route, for decades if necessary.

> Twitter's lawyers will pursue billions in remedies through every conceivable route, for decades if necessary. No they won't. This is Twitter, not Oracle.

Lawyers are lawyers

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He sold like 14 billion last year. Had a Twitter poll and everything.

Arguably the Twitter poll and attendant media circus with Bernie Sanders about taxation was also to provide pretext for a large sale without spooking retail investor confidence.

He needed to liquidate stock to pay taxes from previous stock options he'd been given either way of the Twitter poll. I find a lot of the comments here to be pretty off-base and ill-informed to say the least.

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I am reminded of Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, in which a significant plot point was a hostile buyer using due diligence as a kind of DoS attack on the protagonist's company.

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I’m in a white and homogenous area of the us. Cash does indeed rule every thing around me. There’s not a problem that can’t be solved with cash. Kill a few kids drunk driving or shooting recklessly? Cash in the right pockets and the evidence will be inadmissible and the case goes kaput. Want some more privacy? Your neighbors might suddenly find the neighborhood inhospitable with cash in the right hands. Want your kid…

I'm not sure how much the first line really matters, as I grew up in a rather diverse top 25 city, but yeah, experience was about the same. In high school, everyone knew exactly who to call if you got a DUI. 10k was the going price to get a certain lawyer who gets the case in front of a certain judge and however that worked, the charge was dropped to a moving violation. Kinda sick how the system works.

Justice in America isn't a right, it's a product you buy. Public versions should be non-existent or inferior. This is so that the best people get access to the best version of the product that money can buy. By definition in America, the best people are rich people. God rewarded them with money after all. Therefore they are closer to god and thus superior. Why be rich if you can't spend money buying things like justice, health care, education, and clean water?

Yep, it's kinda sick but also kinda true.

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He sold like 14 billion last year. Had a Twitter poll and everything.

Arguably the Twitter poll and attendant media circus with Bernie Sanders about taxation was also to provide pretext for a large sale without spooking retail investor confidence.

He sold stock before that too. Either way, it's a lot cheaper pretext than fooling around with a phony acquisition.

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This is a different problem and has to do with privacy. The government can't compel you to disclose everything you're doing without cause, and without due process. Having a court ordered judgement entered against you is cause and is a result of due process. It's an entirely different scenario.

We recently ditched privacy so I think we're getting closer to being able to have a wealth tax.

Love the leap & parody here. As if laws exist independently of who they are enforced against.

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> What if the court orders Musk to close the deal and he says no? I can't believe people are taking this very silly statement seriously. This is utter nonsense. There are remedies for people who disobey court orders. Having assets makes you more vulnerable to a court's authority because you have something to lose. If a court orders specific performance and he doesn't do it then he's liable and the court will take his…

I can't believe people are looking at this from such a silly angle. It's obvious that no court can order you to buy something. That goes against the personal freedom we have in this country, and if a court tried it, it would be an easy appeal. But that misses the point, because nobody is going to order Elon to buy Twitter. What MIGHT happen is, a court declares "Congratulations! You already bought Twitter! It has not…

> It's obvious that no court can order you to buy something.

A court can compel "specific performance" if the contract's terms require it.

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So much noise here and ill-informed comments fail to give a broader understanding of what's going on. Elon bought up Twitter shares early in the year for a reason, because he wanted more control over Twitter. He bought up so much Twitter shares that when it was announced via the SEC, Twitter offered a board seat under the clause that he wouldn't acquire too much % control over the company. He obliged, but then left when he realized he couldn't make the changes he desired at the company. Plus, people on the board at the time, specifically Dorsey, was nudging him to buy out the company as a whole. So he did, hastingly. That was an ill-informed decision and obviously a mistake made with respect to doing due-diligence. In hindsight, before the market crash that price may have made sense. But fast forward today with looming recession talk, it's pretty clear he realized it's overvalued (we know this from tweets about twitter deal being repriced). And so he needed an escape hatch, hence the issue with bots and the unverifiable mDAU was a great talking point. In fact, he may as well be right on the issue as Twitter doesn't want to reveal how they calculate it. What he's trying to do right now is pretty clearly force the board to give a better deal. He's not sold any stock and likely won't unless he's actually out for good. But given the amount of effort and thought he's put into it and making it clear that he should pay a lower price depending on the bot issue, I don't think there's much doubt he's not actually leaving Twitter. Whether the courts will force an acquisition at the current price however, is a looming question. My bet is they settle at a lower price.

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Jail for parking multiple times in disabled places or for buying a car every 6 months? Hard no from me. Both of those things are not the same as beating people.

Routinely breaking the law and then paying fine? Jail is a good way to put routine offenders away from the civil society

Many people routinely jay walk and speed and we've decided as a society that they shouldn't go to jail.
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