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Ford CEO says EVs will be sold 100% online with nonnegotiable price

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Re: Ford CEO says EVs will be sold 100% online with nonnegotiable price

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Post by wumpus »

notyourday wrote: post #536
itsoktocry wrote: post #493

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> my credit union was better than the manufacturer's financing offer For long stretches of time most manufacturers were offering 0% financing. Tough to beat that.

> For long stretches of time most manufacturers were offering 0% financing. On a higher price. If you took a discount that could not be combined with the 0 percent financing, and financed using traditional financing options, you ended up paying less money.

It's kind of fun (yet horrifying) to watch how well 0% financing works with consumers, even when it's clear that you'll get a lower price without it.

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Post by TheKarateKid »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #304
Alupis wrote: post #127

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When I see "No Haggle, Fixed-Price, Online Only", I think "Rip Off", and I can't be the only one. It's not that I enjoy haggling with car salesmen, walking out the door and getting hunted down in the parking lot like an animal... I don't... in fact I hate it. But at the end of the day I get a deal I'm satisfied and comfortable with - and it's always below MSRP - far below. I think what we're seeing here is a combinat…

> the younger generation's fear of conflict (a negotiation is an adversarial conflict) The younger generation doesn't necessarily fear conflict. Just look at how it's winning the conflict about conflict against the older generation. They (we) want to reduce these kinds of negotiation because they give an economic advantage for entirely arbitrary reasons: someone getting a car cheaper because they negotiated harder or…

This.

I don't feel like being subjected to hours of manipulation and predatory behavior. I surely know how to push back and deal with it, but it doesn't mean I want to.

Local taxis are often cheaper than Uber/Lyft now since they don't have surge pricing. But the downsides are much worse that people will still pay a premium to not deal with it.

In reality, just like you no longer get a discount for buying online (remember "it's cheaper since the company doesn't have to pay for a brick & mortar store!"?) I wouldn't expect Ford & others to pass the savings along for long. But I'm okay with that given the upsides of saving me time and some mental abuse.

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Post by phpisthebest »

pragmatic wrote: post #521
thaeli wrote: post #317

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Is there really that much service revenue for modern ICE cars that isn't stuff BEV cars need too? Modern powertrains are pretty bulletproof, 10k oil changes and 30k air filters will get you to 100k miles. "Tune ups" aren't really a thing anymore either, especially in the first 100k. Brakes? Maybe you're cutting out one or two pad slaps in that 100k. Oil changes? Yeah, you've eliminated those, the lowest margin servic…

That’s true if your vehicle came from Japan or South Korea. US big 3 or German cars are a maintenance nightmare.

I have owned F150's all my life, But a 3 year old off lease used one, drive it for 5-8 years, trade in for a 3 year old off lease used one

Other than normal fluid changes, I can count on 1 hand the number of repairs I have had to do on any of them.

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Post by joncrane »

lancesells wrote: post #473
alexb_ wrote: post #367

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>I owned 6 Teslas over the last several years. ??????? Why on earth would you need this many Teslas? Maybe if you are buying so many teslas then it makes sense why you don't need them serviced - you barely give them enough time to wear themselves out!

>I owned 6 Teslas over the last several years. Isn't this also terrible for the environment? The resources it takes to make one car is a lot.

I don't think the poster buys a Tesla, drives it for a few months, and sends it to a junkyard. I'm pretty sure that just because the other person stops owning it, the Tesla does not stop being useful to SOMEbody.

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Post by throwaway742 »

concordDance wrote: post #478
throwaway742 wrote: post #459

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Tesla had very poor repair times even before the supply chain issues, much worse than other makes.

I don't disbelieve you but would still really like details (how much worse than others?)/a citation here.

https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/5qeca7/6_month...

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Post by wmeredith »

OnionBlender wrote: post #244

I absolutely hate dealerships. I tried to buy a Mazda 3 a few years ago and the dealer took my keys and driver's license with some stupid excuse. I didn't realize until later that it was a tactic to prevent me from walking out the door when I wanted.

I had a Jeep dealer in Kansas City do this to me,. Then refuse to give them back and literally stood in from of an exit to prevent me from leaving. I told them I was calling the cops. They gave them back.

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Post by lancesells »

joncrane wrote: post #564
lancesells wrote: post #473

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>I owned 6 Teslas over the last several years. Isn't this also terrible for the environment? The resources it takes to make one car is a lot.

I don't think the poster buys a Tesla, drives it for a few months, and sends it to a junkyard. I'm pretty sure that just because the other person stops owning it, the Tesla does not stop being useful to SOMEbody.

Well clearly I understand that but I would think the less new cars being produced the better. There are a lot of cars sitting in used car lots.

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Post by concordDance »

throwaway742 wrote: post #565
concordDance wrote: post #478

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I don't disbelieve you but would still really like details (how much worse than others?)/a citation here.

https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/5qeca7/6_month...

Um. Dude. That's a non-randomly sampled anecdote that says nothing about average repair times. It is quite literally worse than useless.

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Post by throwaway742 »

concordDance wrote: post #568
throwaway742 wrote: post #565

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https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/5qeca7/6_month...

Um. Dude. That's a non-randomly sampled anecdote that says nothing about average repair times. It is quite literally worse than useless.

Fair point, but if you check the subreddit there are lots of similar anecdotes and the general sentiment of the commenters is that it is a common issue. I understand it isn't empirical data, but I don't know that that data exists outside of Tesla and I wouldn't really trust any data coming from them.

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Post by WorldMaker »

Volundr wrote: post #517
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #484

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> There is a reason most people hate car dealerships. I really, really don't understand why the model won't die. I'm guessing regulatory malfeasance.

You guessed correctly. Thanks to aggressive lobbying direct sales is illegal in most states.

Direct sales were forbidden as a consumer protection back when dealerships were disconnected franchises with no licensing or direct relationship with the car manufacturers. To eliminate unscrupulous dealerships but protect the ones that were doing useful services the regulations made a compromise that eliminated direct sales.

It may be aggressive lobbying that keeps this status quo long past the original intent, but the original compromise came from a good place (eliminating "lemon dealers" and "lemon manufacturers" that refused to provide service/support/recalls).

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