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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Shared404 »

trelane wrote: post #560
Shared404 wrote: post #551

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The article says: We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. We also studied and carefully optimized the standby power draw of the system in Linu…

"semi-official" is pretty far away from full support.

But just as far away from no official support, which is where we stand with most hardware that I'm interested in.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

420official wrote: post #534
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #525

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Pop OS on a Dell XPS is giving me good battery life. If you already have your machine and files are backed up, worth a shot.

I didn't have the same experience with pop on a newer XPS. I wasn't able to get more than 4 hours on a full charge.

I’m on a 2020 XPS17. At the time I was having a hell of a time and it took almost a year for everything to be supported out of the box.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

lukeschlather wrote: post #555
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #525

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Pop OS on a Dell XPS is giving me good battery life. If you already have your machine and files are backed up, worth a shot.

"Good battery life" is not my measure of good power management. I can leave my windows laptop sitting out, it will sensibly turn off the screen and eventually hibernate, I don't need to worry about it. A Linux laptop will need babying when it's not plugged in.

Yes it’s horrible when I’m not plugged in and you have to shutdown before closing the lid for transportation.

But if you want off windows and aren’t willing to go Mac, you take what you can get.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Macha »

wiml wrote: post #546
csdvrx wrote: post #295

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> Yep, same here. And with increasing urgency as Thinkpad quality control seems to have fallen off a cliff. Not really, they are among the rare laptops to still offer S3 for Linux. And the X1 Fold is a technical marvel (working on Linux support right now, if I'm successful it may become my next toy device to try to use Linux on as a daily driver) > Framework seems uniquely positioned to fix this though. Someone just…

I'm curious what your use of PrtSc is that is that important to you. I don't think I've pressed that key since the 1990s. Am I missing out?

On Linux I have it bound to flameshot, which you can consider the equivalent of Snipping Tool on Windows or Cmd-Shift-4 on OS X.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by yencabulator »

waiseristy wrote: post #490
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

What style of touchpad does the device have? Is it a force sensor style (macbook), hinged (most recent thinkpads), or one-big-button (also some thinkpads had this)? I absolutely despise the hinged touchpad on my thinkpad as you can't click unless you're pushing on the bottom half of the touchpad. A force sensor touchpad alone would make me put in an order for a framework laptop

I can click the framework v1 touchpad with my fingernail touching the chassis above it. Half a finger width lower the resistance is more reasonable. One finger width down from the top the feel is pretty much the same as closer to the bottom.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by yencabulator »

adastra22 wrote: post #415
nrp wrote: post #94

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We don't do trade-ins, but we have released projects to enable re-use of old Mainboards: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard We're seeing some interesting outputs of that: https://github.com/brickbots/framedeck/ https://github.com/penk/MainboardTerminal

I know this is a hard ask, but consider the Apple or Lenovo model of long support contracts. Not only does this help a lot of buyers to get your product, but you can start refurbishing trade-ins to get parts to service support cases. In the Frame.work style you might be able to do it via a more DIY approach.

IBM used to guarantee availability of the exact chips, and did a lot of stuff behind the scenes to make that happen.

That sort of a guarantee way beyond what's reasonable of Frame.work, they don't control their suppliers to that degree. They've already updated the peripheral chips & hardware even within "v1", both for bugs and supply issues.

Frame.work has pretty much implied the form factor will remain largely untouched, so you're likely to be able to swap a component in even years from now, even if it'll be an "accidental upgrade". That sounds quite reasonable to me...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by trelane »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #562
420official wrote: post #534

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I didn't have the same experience with pop on a newer XPS. I wasn't able to get more than 4 hours on a full charge.

I’m on a 2020 XPS17. At the time I was having a hell of a time and it took almost a year for everything to be supported out of the box.

Why do people keep doing this to themselves?! I really don't get it. Just buy a laptop from a vendor that actually supports linux, like System76.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by trelane »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #563
lukeschlather wrote: post #555

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"Good battery life" is not my measure of good power management. I can leave my windows laptop sitting out, it will sensibly turn off the screen and eventually hibernate, I don't need to worry about it. A Linux laptop will need babying when it's not plugged in.

Yes it’s horrible when I’m not plugged in and you have to shutdown before closing the lid for transportation. But if you want off windows and aren’t willing to go Mac, you take what you can get.

> Yes it’s horrible when I’m not plugged in and you have to shutdown before closing the lid for transportation.

Why? Does it not hibernate?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by gray_charger »

fsflover wrote: post #115
dont__panic wrote: post #85

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I think it goes something like this: - no Management Engine - chips that don't turbo boost themselves into throttling - not supporting a company with a toxic approach to business I believe AMD outperforms Intel when you're targeting mobile performance/battery life, rather than "moar CPU" workloads. Though that might change now that Intel is using their own approach to performance cores. Still, given the last decade o…

> no Management Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_PSP

AMD PSP is NOT the same as Intel ME. AMD PSP is a "trusted execution environment" (the first sentence in your link). Intel's equivalent is Intel SGX. Trusted execution environments are a security feature that does not offer remote management. It's not a privacy concern like Intel ME is.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by teraflop »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #163
nrp wrote: post #149

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Laptops are uniquely challenging in that each additional country has its own keyboard language, increasing the number of SKUs we need to manage and hold inventory for. This is beyond the normal challenges of entering new markets. We enumerated this in a blog post here: https://frame.work/blog/scaling-up-infrastructure We are continuing to build the infrastructure and keyboards to expand into more countries though!

Hmm… I don't see how that prevents you from shipping whatever is available. Many of us don't care about localized keyboards. I want a US layout. I dropped an email to your support almost a year ago with a request to add my country to the list, got "no problem, check back in a week", and the country still isn't there.

Take this with a grain of salt, but the last company I worked for had a sizable office in Tokyo, and I was told by someone in the IT department that they were legally required to buy computers with Japanese keyboards for their Japanese employees. Obviously that kind of rule wouldn't likely be applied to an individual bringing in their personal devices, but I can conceive of it being enforced on commercial imports.

Similarly, I've heard anecdotes about employers in Quebec being forced to provide equipment that has full support for the French language, even if the employees only actually speak English.

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