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Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by landryraccoon »

nickff wrote: post #525
cowpig wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no such thing as a "free market" for healthcare. The ability for consumers to exit a market is one of the prerequisites for the invisible hand effect. You can't exit the healthcare market.

You also can't exit the food market, or the shelter market, or the clothing market, yet those seem to work much better.

Food, shelter and clothing generally have discoverable pricing.

I challenge you to find the price of a cancer treatment regime protocol in the United States. I will bet you any amount of money you care to wager that no US provider exists anywhere that will give you a price quote for lung cancer treatment in writing anytime before that treatment is provided.

And even IF you could, that only covers the cases where you are still have enough health and mind to rationally evaluate the prices. If you've been in a car accident and are dragged unconscious and bleeding into the ER, you can't shop around, even if they DID give you a price, which they certainly won't until you're already treated.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by mgr86 »

cogman10 wrote: post #416
mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

My Daughter was born on the winter solstice this year. We had a broken sink in our hospital room and someone came by to fix it. He had a trainee with him. Who was mentioning that he was scheduled to work New Years Eve and then again the next day on New years day. A 3rd shift followed by an immediate 1st shift. He was casually talking to the guy training him and mentioned that had to be a mistake. The guy in charge said something like "what did I tell you. They don't care about you". I sure felt angry for both of them at that moment.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by nickstewart »

My wife is a NICU nurse at a major NICU... she has worked there four years and is almost at her maximum pay, outside of COL increases, so right now she makes around $64k a year before tax/etc..

The travel nurses make significantly more and now that she has basically hit her cap (after just four years) I've been trying to convince her to move to a different unit or get a different job

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by ikiris »

mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

No one cares about ux in hospital purchasing at all unless it’s an admin app.

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Post by HarryHirsch »

Wistar wrote: post #418
elhudy wrote: post #408

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Don't forget that nurses can now legally be thrown under the bus with criminal charges for malpractice while hospitals walk away scotch-free [1]. This is huge in the nursing community right now. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/24/1088397...

And, alas, found guilty: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/25/1088902...

The solution isn't that Radonda Vought, who killed a patient through a string of crassly negligent actions should walk free - one would like to see the whole chain of command be given serious prison time. It's clear that patient safety at Vanderbilt isn't a priority - training and safety culture reflects that.

Strange to see that HN, which is generally suspicious of copaganda, falls for very transparent nursepaganda.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by noTooMooch »

cogman10 wrote: post #416
mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

What’s that? We’re intentionally filtering wealth to the top? You don’t say…

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Post by archon810 »

germinalphrase wrote: post #55

I have a close relation that works for one of the oldest pediatric hospitals in the country. It was recently revealed that they will be shuttering almost all pediatric services in the next year because they can 10x their profits by only serving elderly clients. The entire purpose of this organization was to provide pediatric healthcare, and it wasn’t losing money… Sometimes, it feels like we’re min-maxing ourselves t…

Can you share the hospital name?

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Post by freeflight »

Melatonic wrote: post #464
14 wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a Canadian stand point you American nurses are already highly paid. My brother works in the US and was recently thinking of coming back to work closer to where he grew up. The best deal he could get here was $20usd less then what he makes there. So on top of making $20 more then a nurse here he is also making it in USD. He is making huge amounts of cash as a nurse down there. How much more do nurses need?

Apparently quite a bit if 90% hate their jobs

Nursing, just like many other social oriented professions, attract a lot of people for the right reasons, like wanting to help other people, yet too often that well-meaning motivation is then exploited to the maximum by overworking and underpaying these people.

They will bear a lot of that, because these people care for their patients and leaving a job because of bad circumstances also means leaving their patients behind with those bad circumstances.

Which is not something that comes easy to everybody who makes "helping others" such a big part of their work motivation.

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Post by dnissley »

callmeal wrote: post #471
LewisVerstappen wrote: post #207

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The healthcare system in the US clearly has nothing to do with free markets considering how unbelievably opaque and regulated everything is.

>The healthcare system in the US clearly has nothing to do with free markets Ahem. Regulatory capture would like a word.

How has regulatory capture helped create the US healthcare system?

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Post by gruez »

14 wrote: post #453
cogman10 wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

From a Canadian stand point you American nurses are already highly paid. My brother works in the US and was recently thinking of coming back to work closer to where he grew up. The best deal he could get here was $20usd less then what he makes there. So on top of making $20 more then a nurse here he is also making it in USD. He is making huge amounts of cash as a nurse down there. How much more do nurses need?

>you American nurses are already highly paid. [...] How much more do nurses need?

This seems perfectly consistent with econ101. Prices for something is high, so we need more supply.

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