Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

I'm unable to come up with a number with a complete lack of evidence that points me towards one. And apparently, neither are you.

>Are you actually arguing some banal argument about taxonomic groupings in the edge cases

Edge case of _what_? We haven't even figured out where the 'edges' are, or even the centers. You've talked about 'objective sense' of 'racial background', so we need to know objectively what you are saying these groups are and define them in a way we know where the edge even is from a factual objective viewpoint. How many races are there anyway, can we list them? Does everyone fit or self-select into a certain list of races, and if not how can we factor that into admissions? What happens during admissions if they're unable to truthfully say what race they think they are?

>They would be correctly identified as their middle eastern ethnicities that they think themselves to be.

You've implied here race is what they 'think themselves to be.' It's not clear to me whether that means they can make up their race, but either you're imposing some races on these people or they are indeed coming up with the race for themselves. Seems to be at odds with your flippant remarks about a circumstance 'where people can make up their race.'

>Please describe the algorithm that makes her non-black.

I never claimed that there was any way to determine 'race', which is such a nebulous concept that it borders on absurd to include it in determining college admission or employment decisions. It's not clear to me that 'black' (in the context of 'race') is objectively defined, but if it is please educated me.

>Please explain why a professor had to resign for "lying" about being black

To determine whether she is lying about being 'black', I would have to know how to define (in context of 'race') 'black.' Is black a race? What determines if someone is black? Is it that they merely consistently say they are black? Is it lying to change your mind about what your race is? Is it lying if you state you are black, while actually being black, but believe you're not telling the truth? If someone looks 'black' but says they are 'white', are they lying? Making hiring and admission decision based on these factors just seems absurd.

The best argument I can find for firing this person is if they were acting maliciously or unprofessionally inconsistent, not because of a racial component. People shouldn't be fired because of their race.

>Please describe the algorithm that makes her non-black.

You're the one who made the claim race had some stochastic parity with self-selection. I personally can't say what 'non-black' even means, neither to you nor from some objective definition. This is a question for yourself, since you've made the assertion 99.9999% parity of DNA with self-selected race (which in one of your early sentences, you did indicate race is self-selected at least for 'middle eastern ethnicities'.)

I can provide some low-effort citations:

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The Bell Curve has this to say:

> East Asians living overseas score about the same or slightly lower than whites on verbal IQ and substantially higher on visuospatial IQ. Even in the rare studies that have found overall Japanese or Chinese IQs no higher than white IQs [...], the discrepancy between verbal and visuospatial IQ persists. For Japanese living in asia, a 1987 review of the literature demonstrated without much question that the verbal-visuospatial difference persists even in examinations that have been thoroughly adapted to the Japanese language and, indeed, in tests developed by the Japanese themselves.

> This finding has an echo in the United States, where Asian-American students abound in engineering, in medical schools, and in graduate programs in the sciences, but are scarce in law schools and graduate programs in the humanities and social sciences.

> [Philip] Vernon's overall appraisal was that the mean Asian-American IQ is about 97 on verbal tests and about 110 on visuospatial tests.

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Richard Lynn discusses the pattern in Race Differences in Intelligence:

> [Row 16] shows an exaggerated version of the typical East Asian pattern of high reasoning IQ (108), higher spatial IQ (114), and weaker verbal IQ (92).

> Two conclusions can be drawn from the studies summarized in table 10.1.

> The first is that all the East Asian IQs are a little higher than those of Europeans, except for the Chen et al. (1996) studies of general information in Japan and Taiwan, and the Georgas et al. (2003) result for South Korea, all of which give East Asians an IQ of 100. [...] The median IQ of the studies is 105 and should be taken as the best estimate of the IQs of indigenous East Asians.

> Second, eleven of the studies contain measures of verbal and visualization abilities and in ten of these the visualization IQ is greater than the verbal IQ (the study in row 36 [finding a verbal IQ of 121 [!?] and visual of 109 in 454 Japanese children in Nagoya aged 5-7 years] is the exception). The mean and median differences between the two abilities are both 12 IQ points. This difference appears in a variety of tests. The finding of the stronger visualization abilities and weaker verbal abilities is so consistently present and so large that it appears to be a real phenomenon.

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I'll editorialize here to note that an average 12-point difference between Asian verbal ability and Asian visuospatial ability dwarfs the average 5-point difference between Asian ability overall and white ability overall. This is a case where the point estimate for IQ has lost significant, valuable information.

Mass incarceration? Depending on your definition

The bar in the new system was the same for everybody. It was simply a different method of judging candidates. There was no "these groups get a lower bar because they are black or hispanic."

Notably a group whose admission went up with the policy change was poor asian people.