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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by mkmk3 »

top_sigrid wrote: post #436
novok wrote: post #201

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How is private relay different from a vpn? A lot of fingerprinting scripts also can track you despite vpn.

Private Relay uses ingress and egress relays. The ingress proxy does know your IP but not which sites you are visiting and what you are doing. The egress proxy is only connected to the ingress, sees what you visit but does not know who you are. Both proxies are run by different parties. With a VPN you would have to trust one provider, who sees all of your traffic.

Then is Private Relay equivalent to a two layer tor setup?

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by zelphirkalt »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #114
hilbert42 wrote: post #47

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"I don't have the time or energy to block JavaScript and/or manually inspect each domain's requests to figure out if they use server-side tracking or not." By default, I don't run JavaScript. I don't see blocking JS as a problem - in fact, it's a blessing as the web is blinding fast without it - and also most of the ads just simply disappear if JS is not running. On occasions when I need JS (only about 3-5% of sites)…

There's another, indirect benefit to blocking JavaScript. Over time I have noticed a strong correlation between sites which don't work right without JS and low-quality content which I regret having spent time reading. Most of the time I encounter one of these sites I now just close the tab and move on with a clear conscience.

Similar here. When I am searching for something and a website wont show it unless I enable JS on that website, then usually it is the case, that after enabling JS to see the content, I realize, that the website's content is worth nothing and that I activated JS for naught, regretting to have spent time on that website.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by sunaurus »

MrYellowP wrote: post #547
ornornor wrote: post #235

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> privacy rights given to us by law (eg in the EU) > As a EU citizen, i hope that our ineffectual administration at least tries to fight this somehow. Of course, there is little hope. GDPR is thanks to the EU and I wouldn’t say it has no effect. It seems like you’re contradicting yourself with these two paragraphs.

You think the GDPR is a good idea? Wow, mate, that's quite the detachment from reality. In reality , GDPR is pure nonsense. It's a serious burden for anyone putting up a site. Any site. They all have cookies. All of them. It is so bad, there are now services taking care of this, because it's so much of a bullshit that people need to rely on others to get it right. You'll probably spin this as a net win, right? Becaus…

It seems you're not fully clear on what GDPR is. You could check this page for more info: https://gdpr.eu/what-is-gdpr/

Just as a very brief note: it's not really about cookies, it's more about how companies should store data about people and what kind of rights people have concerning that data.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by digitalengineer »

dxdm wrote: post #289
zwaps wrote: post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

> our ineffectual administration It always saddens me to see EU citizens talk in absolutes like that. With some exceptions, and by comparison, we have some of the best governments in the world, and, for all its faults, the EU has been a huge net positive. Perpetuating these overly negative stereotypes just aids populists in replacing our good governance with the other kind that we see all over the world.

Here is an overview of all GDPR related fines. I often show it to clients to help them understand what could happen. https://www.enforcementtracker.com/

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by ThalesX »

glogla wrote: post #558
ThalesX wrote: post #514

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> Why should we stop? Where I live (NW Europe) this sentiment is almost exclusively echoed by members of the refreshed "neoconservative/nationalistic" right wing parties. This is the 2nd post ignoring the fact that I have declared I am, in fact, not a member of such a group. Assuming that I'm lying, you'd be correct in holding your stance. Considering I am not lying, you are basically closing in the door to communica…

You might not be formally member of such groups, but if you are spreading their values and repeating their propaganda, you're working for them. That would make you de facto member even if you're not de iure member. e: and based on Paradox of Tolerance, shutting down communication with anti-system efforts might be the only way. You can't be tolerant to intolerance, you can't be democratic to anti-democracy, etc.

Mind underlying where I am spreading the values and propaganda of 'refreshed "neoconservative/nationalistic" right wing parties'? I would like to not do such a thing if possible.

I'm quite surprised that so many don't realize that there exists an entire category of people that are not radical, but do hold opinions on some reforms that should be taken, including the quote that started this conversation "our ineffectual administration".

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Post by zelphirkalt »

PhantomGremlin wrote: post #387
mderazon wrote: post #315

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I don't know which web you're viewing that only needs JS for 3-5% of websites

HN totally usable for basic functionality w/o JS. profootballtalk.com works great if you don't want to vote or comment macrumors.com great functionality nitter.net happily takes the place of twitter.com drudgereport.com works great and I rarely turn on JS when I go to the sites he links to, usually the text on target sites is there if not as pretty as it could be individual subreddits (e.g. old.reddit.com/r/Portland/…

> In conclusion, contrary to your JS experience, I'd say that I spend over 90% of my time browsing w/o JS and am happy with my experience. Things are lightning fast and I see few or no ads. I don't need an ad blocker since 99% of ads just don't happen w/o JS.

Well, you still have lots of tracking stuff loaded probably, unless you got something extra for blocking trackers. A tracking pixels does not need JS. A font loading from CSS does not need JS. Personally I dislike those too, so I would still recommend using a blocker for those.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

3836293648 wrote: post #438
minimilian wrote: post #263

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i used to have javascript turned off for a long time, but i've given up. you can't even search hacker news without javascript (for some reason).

Pretending as if you can search hacker news with JS turned on...

There is some truth to this though. It is sometimes hard to find that HN topic, that you remember just a few words of through the aglolia search thing.

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Post by aliher1911 »

piokoch wrote: post #391
zwaps wrote: post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

Things has changed indeed. Modern economy (I mean the one that has started somewhere deep in the Middle-ages) which finally led to the appearance of capitalism, was built on several foundations, one of them was ethics - in the olden days, in the times of lack of communication, invoices, the state authority that could enforce any law quickly, people had to count on the honesty of the others. One merchant had to trust…

I don't think Google or any other tech company is doing something new here. If you look on Enron scandal or shady things tobacco companies did or car manufacturing not doing recalls etc etc. This isn't that different.

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Post by martimarkov »

darebak wrote: post #489
suction wrote: post #486

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We should stop because it bothers them that the "clever" ways they try to undermine democracies and the EU aren't that clever at all and easily observable.

EU is trying to undermine democracy, atleast in my country.

I feel this would be headline news if correct so do you want to elaborate or is it just a throw away comment with no backing?

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Post by denton-scratch »

shadowgovt wrote: post #516
GreenWatermelon wrote: post #394

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I'm less likely to use a site that offers obnoxious cookie consent forms, and I think I'm better off without them. so yeah, it made the world better for me. My anger is directed towards the criminal websites that seek to circumvent the spirit of the law (most if the web today)

To my observation, there are no sites with more than a dram of content on them that haven't been compelled by GDPR compliance to put an obnoxious cookie banner up. If you've found some, please share.

If you need to set a cookie for the correct operation of your site, then you don't need a cookie banner. The banners are a middle-finger to the GDPR.
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