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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by klyrs »

throwawaysea wrote: post #553
klyrs wrote: post #485

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A missing piece of this is Canada's Bill C51 [1], which characterizes interference with critical infrastructure as terrorism . A significant difference between CHAZ/CHOP and these protests is the legal context. Looters bad, rah rah, but GoFundMe doesn't want to touch (legally-defined-as) terrorists with a 10 foot pole. But C51 was passed with an eye towards stopping anti-pipeline protests, and conservative Canadians…

This is a good point and if this law were enforced fairly and equally across all political causes, I would support it. Infrastructure is not, in my view, appropriate for political persuasion. It feels coercive in the same way ironically, that vaccine mandates are. However, I worry that often times these laws are enforced by whoever is in power in a one-sided manner. This was definitely the case in Seattle - we had a…

No, you don't seem to get it. This is happening in Canada. The laws here are different from Seattle. The question of how this law is enforced has zero application to the BLM protests stateside. GoFundMe has made the choice to operate in Canada, and they're going to make inconsistent-looking decisions because the laws simply aren't the same on both sides of the border.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by defaultname »

Wiseacre wrote: post #559
defaultname wrote: post #324

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So we agree, GFM should have nothing to do with any occupation, right? You agree with this, correct? You think that I'm some sort of partisan in this -- perhaps a projection -- and you caught me in hypocrisy. But you didn't. Financing protests is an incredibly dangerous game. I was against BLM justified violence and looting, as well as the various "free" zones. I was against the railway blockades in Canada (due to co…

You may have trapped yourself in a different web of hypocritical rhetoric: Would you also be against civil rights sit-ins and GoFundMe being used to support those?

It's hypocritical because of something you imagined?

Why would a sit-in, or any similar event, EVER need sponsorship? When has it ever needed sponsorship?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by thoughtstheseus »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #544
culi wrote: post #539

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> One of the main groups behind the protest is Canada Unity, which has opposed what it says are “unconstitutional” Covid rules. The group recently posted a “memorandum of understanding” to its website, saying that members plan to present it to politicians on Parliament Hill. The group claims that the leader of the senate and the governor general will sign the document to create a governing committee, which they claim…

How is working with the government toward your goal "overthrowing the government"?

Democracy? It’s similar to revolution but without the violence.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by [deleted] »

culi wrote: post #298
bko wrote: post #121

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I'm concerned about 1st amendment and the soft power politicians have on freedom of speech (yes I know this is in Canada). When the head politician of a country essentially calls your group terrorist, wouldn't that put some pressure on social media or other organizations to restrict access, money or censor speech? Not all violations of free speech are literally police sending someone to jail for saying something. If…

Remember when Trump called antifa a terrorist org? I hope we've learned by now to stop taking the "terrorist" label seriously

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by smnrchrds »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #439
BeefWellington wrote: post #387

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My experience has been essentially the opposite of the person you're replying to. Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Immediate care for actual emergencies, I've been seen right away. It's a triage system, so if you go to the emergency department at the h…

> Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Try living outside Canada. I used to think healthcare was great as a young male... (men typically don't interact with the healthcare system as often as women for biological reasons) My girlfriend is pregnant. She's fr…

I am sure Czech healthcare system has been subjectively better in your experience. But I hesitate to call it objectively better than Canada's, given that life expectancy at birth is 3 years shorter in Czechia compared to Canada. Something must be causing the disparity, and usually that tends to be the healthcare.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by User23 »

brokensegue wrote: post #524
User23 wrote: post #512

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All policy is political by definition. Also the shared etymology is a bit of a hint too. Observe thar policy-makers is used as a synonym for politicians.

I don't think that's what people mean when they say an issue is political. They generally mean it's contentious or split partisanly. Your definition would suggest public water utilities are "political" which sounds silly to me. Google offers the definition >relating to the ideas or strategies of a particular party or group in politics.

> Your definition would suggest public water utilities are "political" which sounds silly to me.

Tell that to the people of Flint, Michigan.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by throwawaysea »

klyrs wrote: post #561
throwawaysea wrote: post #553

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This is a good point and if this law were enforced fairly and equally across all political causes, I would support it. Infrastructure is not, in my view, appropriate for political persuasion. It feels coercive in the same way ironically, that vaccine mandates are. However, I worry that often times these laws are enforced by whoever is in power in a one-sided manner. This was definitely the case in Seattle - we had a…

No, you don't seem to get it. This is happening in Canada . The laws here are different from Seattle . The question of how this law is enforced has zero application to the BLM protests stateside. GoFundMe has made the choice to operate in Canada, and they're going to make inconsistent-looking decisions because the laws simply aren't the same on both sides of the border.

Hmm - I might be missing something, but I think we are in agreement? I was just making a point that laws need equal enforcement to be just, regardless of jurisdiction. The Seattle mention was just to provide an example of a law being unequally enforced. I also agree that GFM may make different decisions for different locations to comply with the local laws, and also agree that protests should not displace the use of infrastructure like roads.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by Mikeb85 »

smnrchrds wrote: post #565
Mikeb85 wrote: post #439

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> Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Try living outside Canada. I used to think healthcare was great as a young male... (men typically don't interact with the healthcare system as often as women for biological reasons) My girlfriend is pregnant. She's fr…

I am sure Czech healthcare system has been subjectively better in your experience. But I hesitate to call it objectively better than Canada's, given that life expectancy at birth is 3 years shorter in Czechia compared to Canada. Something must be causing the disparity, and usually that tends to be the healthcare.

I can tell you why the disparity: many Czechs who are still alive were born and raised under communism and carry all the generational trauma caused by growing up under poverty and dictatorships. As a country it wasn't really 'developed' until quite recently. And, well, old people are the most likely to die, for obvious reasons. Funny enough, Czech life expectancy at 60 is exactly 3 years less than Canada's. Meanwhile there's no way to truly measure the life expectancy of someone born today.

But if you go check metrics like doctors per capita, beds per capita, how many clinics there are, insurance coverage, etc..., it's shocking. Twice as many doctors per capita as Canada, for example.

Edit - for example, under 5 year old mortality rate for Czech Republic is 3.2 per 1000 while for Canada it's 4.9...

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by refurb »

defaultname wrote: post #562
Wiseacre wrote: post #559

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You may have trapped yourself in a different web of hypocritical rhetoric: Would you also be against civil rights sit-ins and GoFundMe being used to support those?

It's hypocritical because of something you imagined? Why would a sit-in, or any similar event, EVER need sponsorship? When has it ever needed sponsorship?

Very impressive dodge of the question.

Let’s say a sit in did need support. Do you think that’s a valid use of GoFundMe?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by throwawaysea »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #271
defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

Remember when GoFundMe was actually encouraging people to donate on Twitter to CHAZ/CHOP in Seattle? During a pandemic when most states still had mask mandates? I do, and GoFundMe is a bunch of partisan hypocrites. Let me quote Elon: Professional Thieves.

It wasn’t just during a pandemic. It was literally the week after the stay at home lockdown order for WA state expired. It was the start of the various “phases” of restrictions following the hard lockdown order, including in King County where CHAZ took place. And of course the phases got paused because of a sharp increase in cases that June - the primary month in which CHAZ, other riots, and peaceful protests took place (while virtually everything else was shut down).
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