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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

> I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan

I can't speak for others, but I'm there for the guests. Not all of them, but I find Joe to be an entertaining host, mostly because it's just different. The ones I enjoy the most are the ones where it feels like some random dude has recognised he's on a train with a leading world expert in a field he finds interesting but knows nothing about. It's just earnest conversation from someone curious.

> when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

I love watching Joe explore complex subject matter with experts. There are so few interesting interviews with scientists just talking about why they do what they do and what it is that they find fascinating and why they love their craft. There are some real good interviews where they just geek out and Joe asks them really stoned questions. It's not for everyone, I guess.

More to the point, as long as people hold elitist opinions like this, then there will be people who distrust science (and people abusing that to make money)

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

It was Joe's content to do with as he pleased, and his decision was to sell it and allow someone else to do with it as they pleased. That's simple enough, but it's also simplistic because it assumes that property rights are the only thing we should care about. Which value is more important - property rights (which depend on socialized services like justice and enforcement) or free speech (which thrive by removing reg…

You should ask Joe that. If Joe decided to sell he 100% had to have known that they will get to choose which parts of his content from the past to distribute until the end of their contract.

This is a non-issue.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

#564

I guess I incorrectly remember, when the contract was first reported, that any censorship on the part of Spotify would be considered a breach and Rogan could walk away with his show and the $100M payment. Anyone else remember it that way?

I think that was mainly FUD there is no way that they would’ve put that in there at least not in a manner that could be triggered by simply removing an episode.

There might be some material breach clauses there around censorship but it would guess if there are they are worded in a manner that can only be triggered if Spotify directly forces Joe to say something or to bring a specific guest to say something for example.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

> Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. What kind of research does he do? I've never seen more than the odd clip, but I was under the impression he's just like all other entertainers that interview guests and engage in fairly shallow conversation about various topics. A lot of people I know would tell you they didn't feel really competent in their (professional) field until…

> why do you think some people trust celebrities like Rogan over a medical expert like Fauci or, literally, the creators of vaccines?

You seem to be somewhat misinformed. It's not what Joe Rogan says that is under fire, it's what his guests say. Rogan mostly says stuff like "wow" and lets his guests speak.

To make things even more interesting, this latest drama is because he had Robert Malone [1] as a guest on his show. Malone is not just a doctor, but he is also a scientist responsible for the early work on making mRNA vaccines possible. That's what's extra crazy about all of this. It's not even some random comedian talking out of his comfort zone. The guest is one of the most informed people about mRNA in the world. The guy literally made his career on mRNA. Yet what he says does not align with the most widely propagated take, so he must be silenced.

I personally don't know enough about mRNA to have a say, but what I can safely assume is that Malone knows more about mRNA than most people who are saying he is wrong.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone

PS. Another great HN comment about this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30219457

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

All of this surprises me at some level, this cultural tendency toward censorship. It's not even really about whether it's in Spotify, Twitter, YouTube's rights to do it as private companies, it's why do some feel this need to do it at all? Is Joe Rogan really the problem? If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I don't. Someone else framed this in terms of centralized vs decentralized distribution, which brings up…

Yeah I've encountered people that tell me "it's their choice if they leave spotify if rogan wasn't censored" like that wasn't a prime example of cancel culture. The worse thing is that they think they are in the right. Eventually you if you can convince them that its censorship, they will counter that there was nothing wrong with censoring people "[... because of x]". No reason or whatsoever legitimates censorship in my opinion.

I also get cancelled on several forums on a regular basis when I say bad things about pharmaceutical companies or against government etc. even if it's completely neutral. I've seen all reasons already to censor me: - insults - conspiracy - talking about controversial topics in general

none of those were true, ever..

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

I used to listen to the "quacks" and the "conspiracy theorists" on Joe Rogan because back in the past most of the conspiracy theorists he had on were pretty harmless... people like Graham Hancock, Jacques Vallee, Stephen Greer. Additionally back in the day he used to have a good balance of scientists and those discussions were interesting esp since he would ask questions from a layman perspective. I haven't been list…

Have you seen this yet?

"COVID-19: A Second Opinion" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jMONZMuS2U

"On January 24, 2022 Senator Ron Johnson invited a group of world renowned doctors and medical experts to the U.S. Senate to provide a different perspective on the global pandemic response, the current state of knowledge of early and hospital treatment, vaccine efficacy and safety, what went right, what went wrong, what should be done now, and what needs to be addressed long term. This 38 minute video highlights the 5-hour discussion."

The 38 minute compilation is a great, easily consumable summary - however here's the link to the full 5+ hours of testimony - https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html - which obviously has far more depth to it.

The reason I ask if you've seen it is Joe's had multiple of these highly credentialed, front-line workers (doctors, researchers, etc. with expert domain knowledge and experience), on his podcast - some multiple times.

It's going to get harder to ignore these people and what they have to say the more formal the setting the information is shared.

Another video everyone should watch is Maddie De Garay's mother giving testimony for 10 minutes of their experience of her daughter being in Pfizer's 12-15 year old vaccine clinical trial. The limitations designed into the clinical trial reporting app might be most obvious to UX designers, but I think everyone will be able to understand the design implications: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2GKPYzL_JQ

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

The death of the open web is actually the vanishing of the self educated power user culture.

Exactly. People here vastly overestimate how technical and motivated the average user is.

Trump's banned on practically all platforms. How many of his fans added his RSS to their app? (Wait, they don't use RSS apps). His only platform is now his website, where he publishes blog posts.

Did his fans follow him to the "open web"? Nope.

> Trump’s Website Traffic Dove a Yuge 99% Year Over Year

> DonaldJTrump.com went from 14 million unique visitors in April 2020 to just 161,000 in April 2021

https://www.thewrap.com/trump-website-comscore-decline/

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

#569

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

There is another dimension of choice being taken away as well. Spotify doesn't allow users to hide podcasts or rearrange the order in which things appear, so if you are an 18-34 male you have absolutely no choice but to see JRs face presented to you constantly with no way to remove it... It's functionally an unblockable banner ad even though im paying them.

If i had the ability to just not see this podcast at all (like spotify already does for specific songs) i wouldn't have a horse in this race. However, being involuntarily subjected to something has a way of breeding intense dislike that wouldn't otherwise exist.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

#570

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

There are "conspiracy theorists" because there are conspiracies which are uncovered every now and then. Why would there not be when a lot of money and power is involved?

A lot of inequality comes not from some people being inherently superior/inferior or deserving/undeserving but from information management, a crucial part of this is to secure it from competing actors while sharing it with those with overlapping interests. That is the definition of a conspiracy.

Even if there were actually no known conspiracies, we can't know they don't exist unless something comes out... so it would be healthy to have some conspiracy theories around and events being tested against those theories. The mere motivation to suppress them is very likely to come from either ignorance or malice. I believe the very fact that "conspiracy theories" are treated with such hostility is a tell that there are much bigger conspiracies that we need to uncover.

I find Julian Assange's take on something similar from back in the day very interesting: https://www.frontlineclub.com/julian_assange_the_state_and_t...

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