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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ehsankia »

bluecatswim wrote: post #457
ehsankia wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, this person is creating a correlation where there is none, and everyone is just riding the confirmation bias. It's strange how HN collectively throw their skeptical side out of the window and accept a single anecdotal evidence as proof whenever it's a topic like this. This is just a shadowban / temporary suspension from commenting, and there is no evidence it's in any way related to "criticizing dislike removal"…

>there is no evidence it's in any way related to "criticizing dislike removal" That was the last thing he commented which strongly suggests it is. The other few comments he showed were innocent ones praising animations and stuff too.

> which strongly suggests it is

I'd say correlation != causation, but it's not even correlation because it's literally a single data point. In no other context would people from HN try to extrapolate a single data point into such a strong claim.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by chongli »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #553
chongli wrote: post #526

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Creators are already complaining to YouTube. So far they aren’t listening.

Let's not do anything then, and let the emperor do as he wish... /s

No, what we should be doing is figuring out a way to solve the root cause: that YouTube has this much power in the first place.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by emodendroket »

ddingus wrote: post #545
emodendroket wrote: post #535

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They happened before Donald Trump was even President.

And? They still do not make sense, and I do not care who was POTUS.

You were just insinuating it was a plot to hide dislikes on videos of Biden and Fauci.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by TulliusCicero »

johnisgood wrote: post #552
TulliusCicero wrote: post #549

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Exactly. Not an uncommon state of affairs, for open sources va proprietary.

Is there an open source project that is doing well that has similar functionalities that Discord offers though?

That’s exactly what I’m saying. Open source software often struggles to provide the same functionality. The nature of open source makes it harder.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by gremloni »

ralusek wrote: post #560
gremloni wrote: post #559

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Yes it’s just good for it’s own sake. The aim has to be the mitigation of problems that will arise from integrated living like that.

This is fucking stupid.

No you’re a dissembling idiot trying to wheedle your bigotry. This will go fine for a while but you’ll become a stone hearted shell in due time.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by unclebucknasty »

exodust wrote: post #541
unclebucknasty wrote: post #378

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I mean, all stats are game-able, so it's really relative. Dislikes seems among the easiest. So, again, I said views are (generally) a better indication than dislikes, not a perfect one. > Literally millions of views from people wanting to see this incredible coaster that jumps the gap. Don't know how much of a vid must be viewed before YouTube counts a view, but that's also where my suggestion to rate by percentage o…

Yes but people watch the whole video waiting for the thumbnail's promise that never arrives. Partial view stats won't help in that case. Link integrity has always been a thing. Fake thumbs and misleading video titles are a link integrity issue. By hiding downvotes, Youtube has awarded a gift to clickbait content creators. Don't forget clickbait thumbs and titles range from blatant lies to "somewhat exaggerated". View…

Again, your entire position is premised on a reliably non-troll abused and reasonably uniform usage of the dislike button, two things we have reason to believe aren't the case.

>people watch the whole video waiting for the thumbnail's promise that never arrives. Partial view stats won't help in that case.

Neither signal is perfect, but it's easy to simply smash the dislike button for any or no reason. OTOH, actually watching the video takes effort and commitment, which is in itself a signal. Many people will give up fairly quickly.

So, the chances that the majority of people are watching entire vids waiting for the thumbnail to happen is IMO substantially less than the chances that people just effortlessly smash dislike.

And, I think people get trained pretty quickly to avoid the "impossible" thumbnail with massive landsharks eating trains or whatever.

>video released only 2 weeks ago might be high quality but low view count

Relative like-to-view ratio is probably a better indicator than factoring in the oft-abused dislike button.

>200 likes" but with possibly higher dislikes hidden from view.

Again, YouTube should offer a flag button for scammy or otherwise disagreeable content, then moderate accordingly. That's far better than a generic dislike button.

But, we're probably going to agree to disagree here.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by beerandt »

root_axis wrote: post #512
beerandt wrote: post #485

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When it comes to censorship, I think at best it doesn't really matter why , and at worst it's fair to assume mal intent, even if it's not obvious or provable. Otherwise (and without an affirmative reason), why hide it? That's the nature of censorship. But especially so when the "alpha testing" is specifically done on videos of the new White House administration. Unless you're questioning whether removing the downvote…

> When it comes to censorship, I think at best it doesn't really matter why Your "censorship" framing is just a speculative assumption. There is no proof that censorship is going on here. > What hypothetical "pure" intentions would you suggest are possibilities? There are billions of comments on YouTube and anyone who actually works in software understands that software very often does things that the programmers did…

I'm taking about hiding downvotes and selectively disabling comments. (Ignoring for now the selective hiding of particular comments or blacklisted words)

That's hiding information that's normally available due to the nature of the content. That's censorship.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by sieabah »

root_axis wrote: post #547
sieabah wrote: post #538

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It's intellectually lazy arguing. They're basically trying to take the position of "It's not real until you can have a scientific or political consensus by APPROVED thought leaders." It's a chicken and egg issue. You can assume if you have an egg you'll eventually get a chicken, but he's saying "you don't know that 'for sure'" until the chicken hatches. It's just feels like concern trolling.

Please don't speak for me, your explanation of my position is totally off base. > They're basically trying to take the position of "It's not real until you can have a scientific or political consensus by APPROVED thought leaders." This is a bizarre and bad faith summary of my position. I have made no statements about "approved thought leaders". What I said is that evidence has not been provided for the claim that You…

I literally provided you evidence of it happening. I guess that wasn't the evidence you're looking for hence "approved thought leaders". If it doesn't come from specific sources for you it's not relevant or "evidentiary".

Go back to reddit.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by johnisgood »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #564
johnisgood wrote: post #552

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Is there an open source project that is doing well that has similar functionalities that Discord offers though?

That’s exactly what I’m saying. Open source software often struggles to provide the same functionality. The nature of open source makes it harder.

Yeah I know that it is your point. In any case, are we sure there really is no open source alternative? Maybe there is not because Discord is a bit "unique". Perhaps since then open source alternatives have spawned, or will spawn.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

emodendroket wrote: post #563
ddingus wrote: post #545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? They still do not make sense, and I do not care who was POTUS.

You were just insinuating it was a plot to hide dislikes on videos of Biden and Fauci.

Add big media to that list. CNN and friends are not happy about the fact that indies can clean their clocks.

Personally, I do not feel POTUS needs dislikes hidden, no matter who the POTUS is. Biden, at this time, has a pretty low approval rating and has not made good on many promises people value highly. And I only mention that to highlight the large number of dislikes make sense! Same goes for CNN and friends, who regularly get major things wrong, and who are being held up as authoritative.

Generally speaking, these disconnects are not partisan at all. People in general are going to oppose this kind of information management, and it's implied they are too stupid to do it for themselves and need the help.

Viewed through this lens the broad and sustained opposition to this move is no surprise at all.

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