Making the dislike count private across YouTube • Hacker News Board

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by clusterfish » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:58 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #540

oleglustenko wrote: post #490

To show power of our Hacker News community and the power of union. I suggest to report the post at Google page. So click 3 dot button -> Report Abuse -> Submit Report. These small 3 steps can show the power of our will! Yes we can!

I like this. It perfectly illustrates how when you give the public a negative signal it will be turned into a weapon for angry people to hurl at you whether it makes any sense or not.

No, that perfectly illustrates what happens when you censor free expression by only putting an upvote button on a post, and no downvote button.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by mike741 » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:58 PM UTC

Since it's about to be hidden and unverifiable: Susan Wojcicki's "Freedom of Expression Award" (sponsored by Youtube) video currently has 227 upvotes, 56000 downvotes, and 185000 views. That's a 99.6% downvote ratio.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by octocop » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:58 PM UTC

Perfect change that just so happen to help out large companies trying to avoid being criticized in the public eye. Just a coincidence that Google put out this change to help the everyday you-tubers receiving harassment online, it probably has nothing to do with large corporations wanting to silence peoples opinions. Lucky I guess

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by m0llusk » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:59 PM UTC

prvc wrote: post #550

By referring to the act of disliking the video as an "attack", they are framing this change as one which protects users, when in fact, only a small minority post videos, and a smaller portion among them are bothered by dislikes. In fact, the change is user-hostile, removing one channel for users to see whether a video is of low quality (inaccurate description, containing false information, etc.), and improving advert…

That isn't what they said at all. They are talking about actual attacks where a group of people share their objections to a video and encourage everyone to click on dislike. Do you really think that this kind of group objection should be sponsored and enabled?

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by Causality1 » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

Oh nice, I was just thinking this morning that YouTube isn't nearly "corporate bullshit" enough. /s

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by sixothree » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

nickjj wrote: post #67

Bummer. I often use like vs dislike ratios as a gauge on whether a video is worth watching. If I see a 3,000 up / 48 down video on a topic I'm interested in there's a really good chance the video is great. I'm a small time creator (~13.5k subs) and don't care at all about upvotes or downvotes being public. There's only been a handful of videos out of hundreds that received more downvotes than expected because the vid…

Don't you worry about that metric to help you decide what to watch. Let google worry about it for you. /s

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by loosescrews » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #556

prvc wrote: post #550

By referring to the act of disliking the video as an "attack", they are framing this change as one which protects users, when in fact, only a small minority post videos, and a smaller portion among them are bothered by dislikes. In fact, the change is user-hostile, removing one channel for users to see whether a video is of low quality (inaccurate description, containing false information, etc.), and improving advert…

Yep... but the most disliked videos are certain political ones, that youtube supports, and well... youtube rewind.

I think they still might be upset about that.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by poorjohnmacafee » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

This is not what users want and it's not surprising having now observed multiple rounds of YT censorship campaigns. One way ppl fight back against annoying political narrative videos is to downvote them to the mantle. That also gives everyone solace to know that most everyone else believes the opposite of said political narrative videos. Make no doubt about it, YT and their partners have gotten as political as hell in recent years.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by smsm42 » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

jonas21 wrote: post #354

qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

Imagine a News site for Hackers that only had the option to upvote stories. How horrible would that be?!

Not too horrible but a bit annoying. Fortunately, HN is not that site.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by invalidusernam3 » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

Whether this is good for creators is one thing, but it's definitely bad for viewers. Likes to dislikes is an indicator of the quality of the video, and how well it matches the title/description.

This will fundamentally change what I use YouTube for. If I can't determine the quality of a video without having to waste time watching it, I will just look somewhere else.