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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by koyote »

n8cpdx wrote: post #442
tootie wrote: post #128

Hot take: I haven't seen a compelling new phone feature from any manufacturer in as long as I can remember. I spend 99% of my tapping time sending texts, using a browser and taking pictures with the rear camera. Same as I did on my Droid X which was my first smart phone circa 2011.

Quality of the basics matters. Folks like to say they don’t need a fast processor, because all they do is browse the web. If you open the messages app and browser 50x per day (which seems like a conservative estimate) and load the maps app a few times a week, the speed differential between devices adds up. Personally, I find the annoyance factor more bothersome than the raw hours of wasted human lifetime. Side by sid…

I agree with your premise that speed makes a difference and should not be ignored, but your conclusion about android seems a bit off.

The pixel 4 is older and much more of a budget device compared to the iphone 12, I am not sure why you are comparing the two.

That being said, my even older oneplus 6t takes around 200ms to open Firefox so I am not sure what is wrong with your pixel 4. Same on my partner's pixel 4a (which should be even slower).

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by soylentnewsorg »

DCKing wrote: post #535
soylentnewsorg wrote: post #439

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One doesn't have to dream. Flashing a rom on google-branded phones is so simple, a non-tech person can follow a 5min youtube video to do it. The Nexus 6 from 2014 can have the latest android running on it - not just security updates. And unlike an iphone, it has a build that disables some eyecandy that keeps it actually usable and fast. As I understand it if you run the last supported ios on an iphone 5s, with all th…

That’s all great - but don’t lure people too much into a false sense of security. While your Nexus 6 may run a shiny new version of Android, underneath it runs a crusty old 2017 kernel full of holes of different sizes. The community is great, but vendor support remains important. LineageOS and other projects can’t fix things in kernels they can’t compile - they can only provide security updates for open source compon…

Alright - I'll bite. This is a smartphone, not a windows PC with a bunch of services. There is Zero listening on any port. There is no attack surface for any kernel - the only thing there would be a bug in mms. Please share your source for kernel attacks, on any android version, that's not an attack on an app - but on the kernel. No, this is not a google play attack, or an attack on an outdated app - which are updated fine.

In addition, I'm unsure why you think you can't update the kernel on a phone. In fact, updating the kernel is standard procedure for... pretty much all directions on flashing a custom ROM. I had my nexus6 on kernel 4.9.3. There are literally new phones, right now, selling with that kernel version and earlier, with android11.

This is like saying windows server 2016 has a kernel that's outdated, or that windows 10 which came out in 2015 is outdated.

I think you are extremely confused.

>I really don’t recommend

Which is a good thing, because you should not be recommending about things you do not understand on even a basic level.

>After that, it’s probably left up to the community.

right. the entire point of my post. you can load stuff from the community. which includes the community of things like lineage - a big official community that's an llc - a corporation like redhat.

A phone is not a server. It is not a security risk to run an outdated kernel. there are no services running a hacker can connect to. You don't connect to a kernel over the internet. A kernel which is by no means out of date, and is currently running in many datacenters.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by shaklee3 »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #478
josephg wrote: post #452

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I love the openness of android, and the explicit permission to root your phone. But iphones have amazing longevity. The iphone 5s you mentioned came out in 2013 - which is 8 years ago now. Back then Obama was still in his first term. Maybe it is way too slow to handle the most recent version of iOS, but I'd rather a phone vendor that releases operating system updates for 8 years than a vendor who releases updates for…

I love the iphone. I get my wife the latest and greatest every two years, and I forget about it. If she had an Android anything, I'd be spending at least an hour per week on tech support. It's absolutely worth the inflated price for me, and the fact that it's extremely limited in possible features is a bonus. Just like I used to love stick, but now an automatic tranny is great, as my enjoyment is the destination not…

> get my wife the latest and greatest every two years, and I forget about it. If she had an Android anything, I'd be spending at least an hour per week on tech support.

That's... An odd thing to say. I'm not sure what you're saying about your wife, but I've never had anyone, young or old, have a problem with an Android phone that would require anywhere near that amount of time.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by soylentnewsorg »

josephg wrote: post #542
soylentnewsorg wrote: post #478

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I love the iphone. I get my wife the latest and greatest every two years, and I forget about it. If she had an Android anything, I'd be spending at least an hour per week on tech support. It's absolutely worth the inflated price for me, and the fact that it's extremely limited in possible features is a bonus. Just like I used to love stick, but now an automatic tranny is great, as my enjoyment is the destination not…

As I said, I agree with most of what you said. > Now as far as the iphone 6s being usable - that's my point. It is usable, on the old OS it was designed for. That phone was running the latest OS when I gave it to my friend last year. I think it might have been running faster thanks to ios 13 (or whichever version improved performance). I believe you when you say your brother's iphone 5s became unusable with subsequen…

I completely agree with you. If you want simple, if you want OTA updates from the people who made your phone, if you don't want to worry about it - iphone is perfect, i buy them for my wife.

But the discussion in this thread was specifically about the claim that iphones unlike android have a long life of updates. That's like saying "my dell from 2010 came with windows vista, windows vista is not supported, the computer has a short support life. Umm, no, you put Win10 or Linux on it, and can probably put win11 on it, and in 30 years still put the newest linux on it.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by shaklee3 »

easton_s wrote: post #332
reincarnate0x14 wrote: post #326

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> I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life As a Fi and Fiber user, those services have actually been really solid and reasonably priced. Android wise, Calyx maintains a nice de-googled one ( https://calyxos.org/install/ ) and they will sell you an unlocked phone at a reasonable price if you are a member. We use one on Google Fi with no issues in any of about 10 countries so far.

I like frictionless Fi is. Phone breaks? No prob. Grab a cheap Moto phone from the Fi store listing, get it in the mail the next day, and setup in 5 mins. Go over on data? No prob. Pay a prorated price at the exact same rate.

That's literally any mvno. Try mint mobile for one far cheaper than fi.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by harpratap »

rjzzleep wrote: post #486
harpratap wrote: post #474

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NFC-F + Felica is truly one of those technologies that could have really made a huge difference in the world (imagine a no-internet, no bank/middleman payment system in 3rd world countries) but got ruined because of Japan's Galapagos Syndrome. Had NTT & JREast looked from a global POV and worked with OEMs to reduce hardware & licensing cost we could have seen Suica working all over the world today.

I think it's more NTT and Sony. Every single Felica card in Japan is manufactured by Sony. Either way it doesn't matter. It actually is a shame, because most countries that did buy felica are dropping it because of licensing even though it's technically better than any of the competitors. Regardless of that Apple managed to get global felica into their phones since the iPhone 8. Googles japanese google pay is just a…

Even for Apple, the most profitable smartphone OEM, it took them many years and so much engineering effort to make it work. They started with iPhone 7 JP edition, next their "Global NFC" iPhone X,8 series was pretty much a failure[1]. I can see why Android OEMs don't want to pursue providing solution to a technology that isn't widely adopted, is expensive to implement and has minimal user base

[1] https://atadistance.net/2021/10/13/a-iphone-x-nfc-failure-st...

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by soylentnewsorg »

vanilla_nut wrote: post #532
soylentnewsorg wrote: post #489

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Samsung S10 and S10+ looks to me like the place to be, flashed w/ a custom degoogled ROM. Nokia Maps (here wego), Open Camera, something like Aptoide, K9 mail. https://forum.xda-developers.com/c/samsung-galaxy-s10.8693/ I did a lot of research earlier, because I don't use a case, dropped my pixel 2xl, and the glass on the corner cracked. I ended up just putting a dab of epoxy on it instead though. I use the carbonOS…

All of that sounds good except for the phone size. I'd go for a Pixel 5, but... no 3.5mm jack is a dealbreaker. So I guess the Pixel 4a is my only real choice.

You're ok w/ a pixel5 size (6" screen) but you're not ok w/ s10 size (6.1" and has headphone jack)? And the actual phone size of the S10 is smaller than the nexus 5 you mentioned.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by least »

simondotau wrote: post #548
crossroadsguy wrote: post #517

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There are many reasons I’m in Apple’s walled garden but a sane phone size is simply the biggest. I sometimes think about what I’m going to get after 12 mini that I’m using is done for :) Because there are reports that Apple is done with this screen size segment.

It's a tough market. The majority of people who want a smaller phone do so because phones aren't so important to them. And those people probably expect a cheaper device. I think Apple would make a better selling product if they could chop an extra $100–200 from the price of the mini. A single rear camera, fewer SKUs (say, two colours and two capacities), and maybe a binned version of the A16 chip with one fewer GPU c…

> The majority of people who want a smaller phone do so because phones aren't so important to them.

I flat out disagree with this sentiment. People who don't care about their phone that much will buy whatever fits their personal needs (usually what is least expensive), while a person who specifically in today's market opts to purchase a smaller phone is doing so with intention.

Sure, a cheaper iPhone would probably sell just by the virtue of being a cheaper iPhone and perhaps a future iteration of the SE will be based on the mini chassis to facilitate that price sensitive market. But the people getting iPhone minis are almost all doing so with intention. That intention being they want a physically smaller device for whatever reason.

I think Apple would sell more iPhone minis if the branding were different. If the iPhone mini was simply called the 'iPhone' and then the current 'iPhone' became 'iPhone plus' and then the max remains the 'iPhone max' more people would probably purchasing it as the default phone.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by seoulmetro »

whalabi wrote: post #502
seoulmetro wrote: post #387

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There are no fair skinned men on the page. Weird for something marketed mostly towards fair skinned people. Not so weird once you realise it has an agenda behind it. The truth is, they're forcing an extremist view on diversity in spite of the facts. They're allowed to do that. We're allowed to point out the hypocrisy.

What's the agenda?

>they're forcing an extremist view on diversity

I don't know why they're doing it. But there is an agenda and this is how they do it.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by fulafel »

Sargos wrote: post #250
ericmay wrote: post #232

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Which is ok, and if you don’t use Safari then you don’t have to worry about this.

I'm not sure what you mean by not worrying about iOS needing OS updates for browser upgrades as the Safari engine is the only web browser engine allowed on iOS and third party browsers like Chrome are just skins on top of Safari and not real counterparts to their desktop cousins. Upgrading the OS is the only way to get new web functionality and bug fixes.

Does the browsee limitation come from loading non reviewed code and interpreting it? Are other browsers allowed if they don't implement JavaScript?
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