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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by KingMachiavelli »

supertrope wrote: post #527
KingMachiavelli wrote: post #228

Even in a location with a high vaccination rate, I know that a lot of local stores are having issues not just finding staffing but 'COVID' cases are apparently very high. There seems to be a lot of reluctance to get the vaccine among the young, at-will employed despite the downside of being out of work if they test positive.

The media has reported for a year and a half that the old (65+) are at high risk and the young are at lowest risk for severe COVID-19. Young people have absorbed that message. That’s also on top of younger people being less responsive to health messaging in general and taking more risks.

It is just a weird hill to die on. I know people who could get a small reward (+$100) for getting vaccinated and also would be unable to work for two weeks (-$1000) if they test positive. Yet they still don't get the vaccine. I can only guess that somehow they would still get payed a portion of the time they would be unable to work? Not sure :/

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by vesuvianvenus »

mrpoopy wrote: post #77

Was this in the news?

It's in the politically incorrect, non-mainstream news/social media boards. But going to those is... a choice in itself, a choice that should not be taken wisely. It's the choice to begin to pull back the curtain-- to pull back the wool.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by unionemployee »

unionemployee wrote: post #429
brandmeyer wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On my pilot group's FB page Social media has optimized the process of finding groups of people that think just exactly like you do. The fact that you are listening to one specific echo chamber that feels this way does not tell you that the entire industry feels this way. Consider the following counter-example: United Airlines also has a vaccine mandate, and got well over 99% compliance.

I’ve been an airline pilot for a long time and work for a large airline. In the US, pilots tend to be quite culturally conservative. It’s not my naive generalization. Yes, if the mandate happens most will get vaccinated, but there will be plenty of kicking and screams leading up to it.

Literally heard “Let’s go Brandon” on the emergency frequency today in airspace too far from land for it to not be an airliner or other commercial craft (in contrast to the usual meowing).

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by Zigurd »

commandlinefan wrote: post #466
rzz3 wrote: post #336

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> that vaccine mandates are some global scheme by bill gates. While they’re all wrong, anti-vaxxers are a whole spectrum. I do think one big of nuance is important here though: there are a lot of strongly pro-vax people, like myself, who are strongly anti-mandate. The choice to take the vaccine is the correct choice. The other choice hurts not only yourself, but others. However there is no circumstance in which I’d s…

> pro-vax people, like myself, who are strongly anti-mandate I’m vaccinated, but very uncomfortable with the government ordering me to be.

The government is not mandating you get vaccinated. Other than in health care, the government is mandating that large enterprises where people work closely with the public or with each other require either vaccination or frequent testing. The same goes for crowded indoor venues: Show proof of vaccination or a recent test.

This is a very lax "mandate." Nobody is going to require vaccination to drive a long-haul truck.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

unethical_ban wrote: post #546
grillvogel wrote: post #531

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which brand new rushed vaccine was being mandated 3 years ago?

How many years, and how many people have to die while going from 99% to 99.9% sure of a vaccine's safety, before you would say it's safe? In your professional opinion as an epidemiologist?

You didn’t answer the question.

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

bluedino wrote: post #409
silisili wrote: post #171

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This COBOL shortage myth has been around since I was a kid. It wasn't true then, and isn't now. The entire problem is that they don't pay well for what is supposedly a rare resource. And nobody wants to learn a dead language for peanuts. Offer 500k/yr, and me and about 100 million other people will be learning COBOL starting tomorrow.

500? Try 250. Heck, 150 if we can work from home The problem is now you have a bunch of D-level cobol coders without any experience, domain knowledge, etc Which is where we are with most Java dev shops.

> The problem is now you have a bunch of D-level cobol coders without any experience, domain knowledge, etc

Right? So don’t wait too long because all of those who can pass this knowledge will be gone!

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by supertrope »

KingMachiavelli wrote: post #561
supertrope wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The media has reported for a year and a half that the old (65+) are at high risk and the young are at lowest risk for severe COVID-19. Young people have absorbed that message. That’s also on top of younger people being less responsive to health messaging in general and taking more risks.

It is just a weird hill to die on. I know people who could get a small reward (+$100) for getting vaccinated and also would be unable to work for two weeks (-$1000) if they test positive. Yet they still don't get the vaccine. I can only guess that somehow they would still get payed a portion of the time they would be unable to work? Not sure :/

You can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by proc0 »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #54
proc0 wrote: post #35

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So everyone just got sick?

Is there any indication that a greater than normal number of people are sick? The only people talking about a sickout that I can see are the ones who are congratulating the pilots on their sickout without any confirmation that there’s actually a sickout.

> Is there any indication that a greater than normal number of people are sick?

Aren't flights being cancelled? I guess people are just not showing up or something? I asked that question because if there isn't a protest then what? Something is being covered up, at least.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #332
dotancohen wrote: post #299

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> Don't forget all of the future losses by losing the trust of both the customers and the employees. Who's going to remember this? Even a large percentage of the stranded passengers are likely to fly Southwest again to save $36 on a flight. > This assumes that they can absorb these losses. If they couldn't, then they could very very likely receive a bailout or other assistance. It is the existence of these safetynets…

> Who's going to remember this? Even a large percentage of the stranded passengers are likely to fly Southwest again to save $36 on a flight. You can see how this is a problem, right? This essentially means the market is not working as it should - instead of improving quality of service, it makes people absorb the bad experience, ad infinitum. The market is not able to deliver feedback to the companies, who instead r…

You're underestimating the price sensitivity of many consumers.

It's the market working exactly as intended.

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Post by dang »

jukabo wrote: post #96
dang wrote: post #30

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Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly and we've already had to ask you more than once. I don't want to ban you, so it would be good if you would review the site guidelines and use the site as intended: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

You are going to ban him because what he posted doesn’t fit your narrative? You are censoring him.

The comment before it was edited was clearly breaking the site guidelines. That's the issue.
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