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Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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> It hands an implicit veto on opinion to the violent. Utterly shameful. Except that isn’t how it has worked in the US at all. Can weapons be used to intimidate and coerce? Of course. But we’re civilized. We have freedoms and we are protected from unlawful force by lawful force. Speech is virtual limitless. Non violent protest has and will continue to be a fruitful avenue of change. Self reliance and individual empow…

My comment is not limited to political discourse. The rates of firearm use in domestic and personal disputes in the US are a disgrace. Half of women killed in domestic disputes are shot. But even then, it only shows those cases where guns were actually used. We can only guess how often the threat of such violence, either explicit or implicit is enough to coerce or intimidate. The attitude that the correct way to fix…

> Promoting willingness to kill as a path to a voice or Liberty in personal relationships or society is utterly immoral. That is not the kind of society we should be aspiring to build.

Statements like this remind me how lucky we are to have created such a safe space for people to be born, raised, and live so that they can maintain this view. You’re lucky and hopefully people like you can help us build a better society.

Some of us weren’t so lucky. We experienced violence, we went to war, we have actually seen the chaos and terror that people can cause.

I am here to tell you that terrible, malevolent people exist. They don’t care about hurting other people. Now, you don’t need to spend every waking hour worrying about them, but don’t pretend that they aren’t there and a real danger to you either.

So, please stop trying to take away the right of an individual to protect themselves because of some hand waving about criminals with guns.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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>The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. Yeah, I'd add that France doesn't have a long, porous border with the developing world. Nor nearly as much heterogeneity in its population.

Pretty sure that in total far more guns are moving south from the US than north into it

Mexico is trying to sue because of that:

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/28/1031965159/mexico-sues-u-s-gu....

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Jesus H Christ, this comment section. What has happened to HN? I think I'm done for good this time. Peace.

What's wrong with the comment section? Everyone is discussing respectfully and sharing opinions.

I think he is disappointed that so many people here are supportive of firearm ownership.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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I don't know, if a military goes rogue, they'll go for the gun owners first. I don't know how many of the contributors here have been to the army, but if you have been, you will know that some shotguns and guns won't go far against military arsenals. It might help a bit against police forces, but military? Forget it. To even compete with a military force, you need coordination and logistics. And this is one of the re…

> if a military goes rogue, they'll go for the gun owners first

How? There's no national registry of gun owners. Many new guns are built at home, and the government doesn't know about those at all. You can even 3d print them now, and I don't mean crappy single-shot ones, I mean things like the FGC-9.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. From your link we see Brazil at 27, Mexico at 29, Argentina at 5, Uruguay at 12, Greenland at 5, Panama at 9, and Costa Rica at 11. Canada is the biggest outlier, but the US still has less homicide than even relatively nice New World countries. If you’re going to tout France’s low homicide rate of 1.2, I’d invite you to observe that Japan’s homicide rate i…

Comparing the US to lawless, poor countries doesn't help make your claim.

The more rational 'New World' comparisons would be Canada, Australia and New Zealand, and guess what: very low murder, very low rates of gun ownership.

"Does this mean that France should adopt some aspects of Japanese law, for instance, by readopting the death penalty? Or does it simply mean that France and Japan are different countries?"

Or more rationally, they could just completely ban firearms and make them totally inaccessible to anyone, as they are in Japan.

(And also create a super conformist, rule-following slightly authoritarian culture)

But at least the gun laws themselves in Japan are extremely rigid which hints pretty strongly that restrictions definitely work.

Wether those can be pragmatically applied is another question.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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post #96

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I fully agree with anti-gun crowd that having vast majority of guns in hands of citizens (legally or illegally) leads to more deaths. USA's comparison with Angola is actually more serious than the numbers tell you because you need to realize that USA has far better medical response and doctors trained to handle gunshot wounds. So to truly compare Angola and…

What rights of mine have gun owners protected? The 2nd amendment has protected the 2nd amendment, through compliant courts that have turned gun ownership into an entitlement.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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post #96

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

It’s misleading and counterproductive to frame this as “America has a high gun homicide rate”. It mostly affects black communities. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/02/23/young-...

Any intervention with the serious and actual goal of reducing gun deaths must take this into account.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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> It hands an implicit veto on opinion to the violent. Utterly shameful. Except that isn’t how it has worked in the US at all. Can weapons be used to intimidate and coerce? Of course. But we’re civilized. We have freedoms and we are protected from unlawful force by lawful force. Speech is virtual limitless. Non violent protest has and will continue to be a fruitful avenue of change. Self reliance and individual empow…

I have lived in developed and developing countries and have never felt that my family or property were at risk. The real question is why you think they are when we live in the safest time in human history.

That’s great! This whole civilization thing is working pretty well.

Just because you haven’t personally encountered violence, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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post #479

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PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I fully agree with anti-gun crowd that having vast majority of guns in hands of citizens (legally or illegally) leads to more deaths. USA's comparison with Angola is actually more serious than the numbers tell you because you need to realize that USA has far better medical response and doctors trained to handle gunshot wounds. So to truly compare Angola and…

Yes, personally I would much rather put my trust in my neighboring citizens than the government. I trust myself and other citizens to stand up for our rights more than I trust the government to protect them. So, I'd rather citizens be armed than the government. IIRC Switzerland has an interesting citizen militia/gun ownership situation as well.

Sadly, our neighborhood thinks everyone is a potential criminal and hangs signs around saying "I don't call 911" with a picture of a gun. This is not inviting to other neighbors, and not a way to build trust with one another.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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If they can shoot the men trying to rape them maybe they won’t have to?

Have you ever tried to pull a gun on someone attacking you? I think most people find it easier to fantasize these 'armed defense' reactions then to actually experience one.

The general idea is to first avoid such situations, and then to have your hand on your gun's grip, or pull it before it's too late. You know, the whole CONSTANT VIGILANCE! thing.

If you're walking around in Condition White all the time you're unlikely to succeed. But that doesn't describe many if not most US concealed carriers.

The fact that you cast this as "fantasy" tells us it's not something you've ever seriously considered.

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