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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by rvz »

romwell wrote: post #532
rvz wrote: post #503

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Right but how was that 'unprovoked hostility' ? How was disagreeing with someone with a reason being 'hostile' ? For the claims, I just used what they already admitted? All I wanted was evidence for their claims and that was it. Instead I got anecdotes, false equivalences in their arguments which is not substantiative. I also just asked a simple question, they couldn't even answer it. For the second question they did…

I really don't have to do that, but here goes nothing. >Right but how was that 'unprovoked hostility'? Hostility was saying that people "like me" are addicts to parasocial relationships. Don't see how that's hostility? Exercise: "People like rvz are " >How was disagreeing with someone with a reason being 'hostile'? You don't get to disagree about what I am (e.g. an addict), nor the kind of relationships I'm in. It's…

> I really don't have to do that, but maybe if you see this enough times, you will get to learn something.

You tried to argue with a false equivalence earlier and then continue to ignore a basic question about the definition of having a 'para-social relationship' with the people you follow on TikTok which you have just described all by yourself in that long post [0] which everyone can see for themselves.

Before you try to ignore the question again, isn't what you have just described here [0] a 'para-social relationship' and fits the definition described here? [1][2]

> Hostility was saying that people "like me" are addicts to parasocial relationships.

So these creators know you personally then and don't treat you like a follower, or a fan then?, and somehow you are not 'addicted' to TikTok then?

On top of that you haven't given an answer to these questions:

>> So you are saying that there weren't any leaks happening about TikTok then, which suggests that they can suppress any content they want to or shadow-ban tags? So you trust them that they won't do it again then, since you think in your opinion that 'TikTok is the best thing to have happened to the Internet.'?

> So I humbly ask you to cease.

So far you have given zero evidence in all of your own comments and you are actively ignoring my questions right here. Substantiate your comments by answering these questions with evidence and sources, as I'll just continue to assume.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28135484

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction

[2] https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20...

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by robertlagrant »

MrDresden wrote: post #537
jstummbillig wrote: post #518

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However, you can make problems appear by pretending they do exist.

Can we perhaps agree that there is a possibility for things to go bad in the future (in regards to data collection and privacy), but that today we have no concrete evidence of it?

Before making this comment, did you acknowledge the possibility that it could go bad in the future?

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by mkaic »

crvdgc wrote: post #435
panorama wrote: post #399

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I get the temptation to write it off (I don't personally use TikTok daily), but to me this take feels similar to people who used to assume Twitter is just for people reporting what they ate for lunch. That might have been the case at the start but TikTok has _plenty_ of niche content, some vapid, some productive, which frankly depends on the media you engage with.

As a non-user, I am genuinely curious about what are some concrete examples of productive contents? From my understanding, the only format of communication on TikTok is videos with a short time limit. I'd imagine it is hard to convey much to be considered productive.

@americanbaron makes great short films on TikTok!

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by ridaj »

reggieband wrote: post #66

I like to think of TikTok as the crack cocaine of addictive social media. I used to think my dopamine receptors were burned out by the constant barrage of memes I received from reddit, Facebook and Twitter but TikTok proves they can refine that product to make it even more potent. When I visit reddit now it feels behind in the same way Facebook used to feel behind. Facebook's video feature (which they shove into my f…

I think it's possible but it's also not clearly borne out by the data yet. What came out was that TikTok was "most downloaded", but that is in part because they've been paying $$$ for user acquisition through ads. There is definitely some addictiveness to the platform but it's not clear that users who download are staying long term. Personally I fell off the charm a few months ago and nothing at all is pulling me back in. We would have to see what happens in ~ a year when they run out of users to acquire and YouTube develops its own vertical-scrolling short form content.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by _Algernon_ »

romwell wrote: post #541
oblio wrote: post #517

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The thing is, I think it's more than fortune telling. The social media business model is very dirty, it's an addiction machine coupled with selling your data to the highest bidder. The end result will invariably be the same. It's like free image hosting or free file hosting. A "better", "cleaner" hoster appears and then they either go bankrupt or they sell out. Some stuff is just predictable at this point. Social med…

Let me pose a different question. What value does the following claim bring into the discussion: "The is going to be just as bad as , just give it time"? It's just needless negativity. There are so many interesting things about TikTok that one can discuss, and choosing to just be a Debbie Downer about it ("You like it, but it's bad for you!") feel like an extremely boring way to think about anything.

A pattern that has occurred repeatedly with many SoMe companies over the last decade is highly relevant to a discussion about the new SoMe company that allegedly solves all the problems of previous social media. It's not just needless negativity.

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Post by madeofpalk »

cronix wrote: post #73
mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

This does not reflect my experience with using Tiktok. Tiktok very quickly determined i wanted queer content, and that's basically all I see now.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by marmshallow »

underwater wrote: post #184

I'm baffled by the glowing endorsements of TikTok on Hacker News of all places. TikTok content comes across as completely vapid. It's like the worst possible mashup of bad television and social media. As a company TikTok seems to have zero goals beyond increasing engagement.

It’s only positive cause HN also likes bashing FB. Just give it time and the tides will turn.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by madeofpalk »

argonaut wrote: post #478
n8cpdx wrote: post #129

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This is an out of touch take from the TikTok=China=bad days of 2019/2020. I see queer creators on TikTok all the time. Quite frequently actually. This was the second video that showed up for me today, with 500k views (it is propaganda out of the White House, in collaboration with a popular queer creator): https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosCgTr/ Only 50k views from an amateur creator, because TikTok hates queers: https://vm.…

You really cannot make a claim about TikTok's content distribution based on your own feed. TikTok's feed is extremely hyper-targeted for each individual.

Isn't that the point? You can't say that tiktok "gets rid of people" in those demographics when Tiktok's algo creates all these micro communities where they flourish.

I've never seen more diversity and representation on social media than on Tiktok.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by MrDresden »

romwell wrote: post #546
MrDresden wrote: post #537

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Can we perhaps agree that there is a possibility for things to go bad in the future (in regards to data collection and privacy), but that today we have no concrete evidence of it?

We can, but what value is there in making that statement? Things always can go bad, and, often, do go bad. That's almost vacuously true. What would one expect to come out of saying that, other than the feeling of smug satisfaction at some point in the future?

Under that same logic nothing that could potentially ever go badly should ever be discussed as it can always happen and thus there is no value in discussing it?

Not all of us think along the same lines.

Some might like to believe that things are perfectly fine and there is no harm in participating.

Some might realize the potential for harm, but simply not care about the outcome.

Others have a different opinion, one of caution and not participating in case things do go bad.

It has nothing to do with feelings of 'smug satisfaction'.

I do truly hope that you aren't surrounded by people for whom it would for these kinds of discussions.

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