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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

ksec wrote: post #258
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #25

Serious question, why does everything require an app? Why can't the same thing be accomplished via the mobile web? I get so tired of being prompted to install apps when you could just *show me the damned web page*. Anything that requires speed can be done via webassembly, and sure, anything like games can ship a native app.

>Serious question, why does everything require an app? An App button on your home screen is zillion times better for 95% of user than a web address. If Apple allowed one click installation of Web App. ( Not clicking on Safari settings and add Site to Home Screen button ). Or Scanning a QRCode to download a Web App. Along with adding all the missing Web App features to Safari that could be enabled only for Web App and…

>An App button on your home screen is zillion times better for 95% of user than a web address.

I can create a button on my home screen that will take me right to a web page with one click (on android, I'm assuming you can also do this on ios)

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by BackBlast »

musicale wrote: post #532
lostmsu wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has Apple added support for web apps yet? They were around for years now, that would be a prerequisite for switching to web.

Apple added support for iPhone web apps in 2007, including native-style widgets and touch navigation support in mobile Safari. This was enough to support many early games and apps, and Apple even had a curated directory for them. At the time, developers complained bitterly that Apple didn't provide a native SDK, nor did they support Flash or Java web apps. In 2021, mobile Safari is good enough to run Amazon Luna game…

I build PWAs, there are main features I wish I could see on Safari/iOS.

1: Some kind of guarantee they're not going to randomly purge my assets/data to get some disk space back. I want to provide a good offline experience and not require a network connection. 2: Notifications, which has been requested for Safari every year for a decade. This is willful neglect and not esoteric new-in-chrome functionality or a security risk.

Apple did finally move WebRTC over from regular Safari to WebApp last year (Not every feature in mobile Safari is available as a WebApp). Finally! This opens up new potential. If they did the two above I'd be reasonably satisfied with the platform's capability.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by LatteLazy »

dizzant wrote: post #559
LatteLazy wrote: post #536

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Is the app ecosystem very healthy or could it be healthier? Why does the rate from 10 years ago make sense today? In a free market, the rates would be set by market forces and we generally think those are right. But Apple set 30% and has never even reviewed it as far as we know. I won't pretend there is a sure fire way of defining exactly the correct rate. There isn't. But that doesn't mean letting Apple set it is co…

Apple isn't alone is setting this price -- at the very least, Apple competes with Android for roughly half the smartphone market share. Making your app available in both ecosystems is not a requirement to run a successful business. As an example, consider the myriad apps that are available exclusively on iPhone, with no Android support. The 30% in-app purchase tax can't be compared to a utility price because it isn't…

The debate over whether app stores are a monopoly/oligopoly etc is pretty well gone over here isn't it? I won't waste your time repeating those points.

Interestingly, last time I checked 80% of iPhone users would not consider switching when surveyed (well done Apple).

I wonder if forcing an open market and even cross compatability would be a better semi-solution...

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by stale2002 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #547
stale2002 wrote: post #514

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> I think you've misread my comments. No, I really didn't. If you agreed with me that Apple's actions are illegally anti-competitive, then you wouldn't ask why/how/when their actions are illegal. So yes, by asking me why/how/when their actions are illegal, you are disagreeing with me. Thats what it means to ask that. We'll see if you were right or not, to question why/how/when their actions are illegal. > So I don't…

Sorry I still think you're operating under a misunderstanding of the thread. > We'll see if you were right or not, to question why/how/when their actions are illegal. Why would the court's opinion change my moral opinion on whether something is or should be illegal or not? Unless there's new info. The Salem Witches were found guilty in a court, for example. Maybe there's a parallel there? A bit of an hysterical and m…

> Why would the court's opinion change my

What it would change is how you "don't know how you're describing it as 'illegal'. "

Once the court trial is over, you will know "how" it should be described as illegal, as before, you were incorrect on not being able to say why it was illegal.

And what it will do is help you understand why comments that you make such as "Apple has less than a 50% market share on smart phones.", that incorrectly attempt to imply that Apple is not engaging in anti-competitive practices, is an incorrect thing to imply.

> A bit of an hysterical and morally unjust witch hunt.

Ah, so instead of saying that you may not really understand how anti-trust law works, you are going to say that the whole court system was rigged, if the court rules against Apple in any way?

Anti-trust law is not particularly controversial, also.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by chrisseaton »

stale2002 wrote: post #564
chrisseaton wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry I still think you're operating under a misunderstanding of the thread. > We'll see if you were right or not, to question why/how/when their actions are illegal. Why would the court's opinion change my moral opinion on whether something is or should be illegal or not? Unless there's new info. The Salem Witches were found guilty in a court, for example. Maybe there's a parallel there? A bit of an hysterical and m…

> Why would the court's opinion change my What it would change is how you "don't know how you're describing it as 'illegal'. " Once the court trial is over, you will know "how" it should be described as illegal, as before, you were incorrect on not being able to say why it was illegal. And what it will do is help you understand why comments that you make such as "Apple has less than a 50% market share on smart phones…

> you are going to say that the whole court system was rigged

You're just inventing random things that I don't think and haven't said. I don't know know where you got 'rigged' from for example. That's not a quote from me or an intelligent interpretation of what I've said.

If you find yourself constantly replying 'so you're saying' or 'so you'll say' stop and think why you think you need to rephrase everything and speculate on what the other person may say rather than going off directly what was actually said in order to make a point.

I don't think you're arguing in good faith here or actually want to understand other opinions - you seem pretty intent on deliberately misinterpreting as strongly as possible - so I'll leave you to it.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by otterley »

LatteLazy wrote: post #563
dizzant wrote: post #559

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple isn't alone is setting this price -- at the very least, Apple competes with Android for roughly half the smartphone market share. Making your app available in both ecosystems is not a requirement to run a successful business. As an example, consider the myriad apps that are available exclusively on iPhone, with no Android support. The 30% in-app purchase tax can't be compared to a utility price because it isn't…

The debate over whether app stores are a monopoly/oligopoly etc is pretty well gone over here isn't it? I won't waste your time repeating those points. Interestingly, last time I checked 80% of iPhone users would not consider switching when surveyed (well done Apple). I wonder if forcing an open market and even cross compatability would be a better semi-solution...

That certain people are angry about a situation such as this, despite the widespread evidence of customer satisfaction, speaks a lot about people’s priorities, I think.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by dyingkneepad »

jaywalk wrote: post #122
dyingkneepad wrote: post #80

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Your service not having access to my data is a feature. It's one of the primary reasons I prefer websites over apps.

What personal data (that you didn't explicitly provide or allow access to) does an app have access to that a website doesn't?

There's a million things they can do. Permissions aren't that fine-grained, and the apps always have ways to infer a lot of stuff. Heck, they can even make background tasks, while if it's a website I know that if I close the tab your tool is gone.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by dang »

dvtkrlbs wrote: post #174
taylodl wrote: post #142

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They do not have a monopoly. 50% or more of the population chose to be in Apple's walled garden. They knew the rules, they knew what they were buying. Some people don't want to be in Apple's walled garden, so they buy Android. Businesses tend to prefer Apple's ecosystem because sales data has shown that Apple's customers tend to pay more for applications and services - so they're coveted customers.

You are delusional

Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments to HN, and please don't do name-calling or personal attacks. Those things are not what this site is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by sneak »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #47
hellisothers wrote: post #12

Seems pretty disingenuous given they had to have known this would happen (note that OnlyFans has no app)

OnlyFans has no app because of the nature of the content.

They have no app because of the censorship in the app store, not the nature of their content.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by kryptozinc »

immackay wrote: post #370
kryptozinc wrote: post #356

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Can my tech illiterate grammy do it all by herself using just her iphone? if no, then OP's point stands.

Can your tech illiterate grammy do it (read: sideloading unsigned programs) all by herself on an xbox or playstation?

Your original comment was about side loading apps on iPhone ON a thread about iPhone apps. I don't see what consoles have to do with this. You are being ignorant of the fact that the vast majority of iPhone users CANNOT and WILL NOT side load apps using a developer account.
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