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Post by mgh2 »

addicted wrote: post #451
mgh2 wrote: post #294

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Well, if Paul was mistaken, then he should have been informed- not kicked out of YC for a misunderstanding don’t you think? Sounds like abuse of power

Yeah, I’m not gonna get particularly upset about either side doing something wrong at a time when there was a lot of confusion, lot of pressure, and frankly the correct moral decision isn’t all that clear. But that swings both ways, and it does not speak well that 1 side was penalized so heavily for it, irrespective of whether they were in the right or wrong. Of course, it’s even more egregious coming on the heels of…

I am not surprised this comment was buried to avoid scrutiny. Technocracy censorship is common these days

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Post by encryptluks2 »

koolba wrote: post #93
encryptluks2 wrote: post #88

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Are you advocating illegally assaulting people for merely words?

Not assaulted but they will face repercussions. The expression is a common one for American native English speakers. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/snitches_get_stitches

It literally means that people that tell, even if they report a rape or something truly disgusting, will get stitches (beat to the point of needing stitches) for telling on someone else.

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Post by Devon64327 »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #454
ping_pong wrote: post #381

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This pretty much summarizes how it was taken advantage of: https://archive.is/Z55Oe

Glad it was "taken advantage of", racism has no place here. Disgusting that people think this is ok.

They didn't set up a clinic and stick a "Colored folks only" sign out front.

At the county or state level, they looked at the data and identified that Black and Latino populations were not being vaccinated at the same rate as white populations, and also recognized that the pandemic has disproportionately affected those same populations.

So they committed resources to establish more clinics in areas with high concentrations of the given populations and may have waived certain documentation requirements that are historically more challenging for them to acquire.

The result being that people of means, predominantly white people, took time off of work and travelled long distances to take advantage of the situation. Taking the place of a non-zero number of residents that were the intended recipients.

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Post by pclmulqdq »

Closi wrote: post #517
dfabulich wrote: post #508

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Mt. Zion wasn't "set aside for a high-risk community." It should have been, and indeed it was set aside earlier that week, but by Thursday morning they opened the gates and let everyone in. https://archive.is/Z55Oe As a result, it was my turn, after I waited in line for four hours at a "first come, first serve" vaccination site. Elsewhere you allege that @dasickis and I were "skirting eligibility rules." You know tha…

> Due to the lack of rules, I didn't have the option to give the vaccine I took to an underprivileged person of color in the West Oakland community. You did have an option to give it to someone less privileged - The option is not taking it yourself so that someone who is at higher risk likely gets it, which is what the program was trying to achieve. In a world of limited supply/capacity one person getting a vaccine s…

Fundamentally this comes down to the very American idea that everything legal is moral. What they did may not be illegal, but it certainly is immoral. People who do immoral things do deserve the public shaming they get.

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Post by pydry »

neonological wrote: post #361
slumpt_ wrote: post #301

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“petty drama” speaks volumes. Edit:Please, downvote. Just reinforces my point. What is wrong with this community, jfc

Any post that challenges dang will likely get voted down. This is normal given his position and it's the price of admission (see my other reply to his post). People also rarely vote on how substantive your post is but on whether they agree with it or not. It's not in the spirit of HN to do this but you really can't control human behavior and people do this without being fully aware of it. Due to how human voting beha…

The thread is a shitshow of bluster, vague accusations, mob down voting and carefully selected facts on both sides but it's interesting that it is still possible to piece together what actually happened by reading a selection of the comments from both sides.

My impression is that one side is slightly more keen on obscuring the full facts than the other without outright giving the impression that that is what they are doing.

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Post by BombNullIsland »

dfabulich wrote: post #300
mbgerring wrote: post #274

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So just so everyone has the full context: Oakland opened up its vaccination sites to more people on a shorter timeline than the rest of the state, in certain ZIP codes with disproportionately poor residents, in order to get vaccines to those disproportionately poor residents. I know this because this is how several of my friends who live in West Oakland got vaccinated ahead of the eligibility opening up in the rest o…

I got vaccinated at one of these West Oakland "first come, first serve" vaccination sites back in March. They were administering J&J vaccines (which do not thaw) with no residency check, and not even a poster saying "please don't line up unless you live in this neighborhood." No statement of intent at all. Others standing in line asked coordinators walking the line, "Am I eligible here?" and the coordinators responde…

The site is intended to vaccinate the population as quickly as possible. Ignore the rules, get jabs in every willing arm until there is none left. Vaccines in the fridge or thrown in the bin don't lower R0.

The goal of any competent vaccination program should be to get the most socially active population vaccinated as quickly as possible to lower R0. This means 15-35 and retail workers first. That's not what happened anywhere in the west because of gerontocratic politics.

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Post by dasickis »

julianapostate wrote: post #550
dasickis wrote: post #545

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read the papers I linked and you'll realize that these sites have challenges with getting people vaccinated due to lack of trust in government and healthcare in general it's been 3 months since that clinic and many people here are still hesitant to get vaccinated these issues remain because few people understand how deep distrust runs especially in Oakland where people have seen the massive destruction caused by gove…

What massive destruction? Have vaccines been a net health deficit for these groups?

you can go to a community with high vaccine hesitancy or you know actually click the links I posted

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Post by [deleted] »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #528
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #507

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> Wouldn’t it be better to refine the rules and disclosure when gaps arise, so everyone is participating in the same system? I don’t agree with this. I think this idea works in computing systems and thus at least programmers are inclined to think in this fashion, however I don’t believe this is how every other framework functions, e.g. , the UK legal system which is largely down to interpretation (and IANAL).

I’m not looking at this from the perspective of law, I’m looking at it from the perspective of judgment that’s partly secret and unknowable. HN already has a reputation for skewed moderation (certain sites are pre-banned, posting them pre-flags subsequent posts). Making it explicitly something exceptional without any way for people to know what the exception is... again creates a separate set of rules and a basis for…

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