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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mountainethos »

stefan_ wrote: post #541
mountainethos wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people seem to enjoy passing moral judgements onto others. What doesn't make sense to me is when someone who drives any gas car judges someone who drives a truck. Do they feel validated in their choices because someone made worse choices? Or do they decide that 30mpg is such a morally superior position than 20mpg that they have the right to judge others?

The moral judgement isn't mileage, it's that pedestrian deaths are rising , partly because of cars that have zero forward visibility for no good reason (no, the engine doesn't need it) and weigh tons. This is what is referred to as a moral hazard , because the people driving these trucks are not taking any risk, even reducing their own risk, but at the cost of increasing the risk of everyone else, and most importantl…

My same questions still apply in the case of pedestrian deaths.

Have we decided we're okay with the number of pedestrian deaths caused by compact cars and SUVs? Some SUVs are heavier, have less visibility, and would presumably lead to more pedestrian deaths than cars, so why isn't there a similar condemnation against those vehicles? Or maybe there is?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by kingsuper20 »

Pretty cool. I'd buy one if they made a regular cab, short bed, base model version. Not gonna happen. Probably never will since it isn't a matter of simply producing a shorter frame and altering the body shell. Not enough call for it.

In my case (not that anyone cares), lower end trucks are fairly optimal. Low repair costs, don't care about gas mileage (not enough miles/year), good visibility, don't ever need a back seat, ease of repair and accessibility, need space for transporting big and tall stuff often enough. Kind of a no-brainer.

The emergency house power angle is the killer app for me. Plus never going to a gas station, changing oil, etc.

You do have to wonder how much longer any EV subsidy can last. It highly favors wealthier people (due to the tie to income tax in many cases) and won't hold up to widespread adoption of EVs

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mahogany »

jacurtis wrote: post #395
dboreham wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

I moved to Idaho a several years ago and went through the same experience. I showed up in my Toyota Corolla and everyone kept saying it was a "cute car". This was just a normal car in Seattle. But here everyone was like, "oh how cute... a little Corolla". I also got comments from co-workers that were like "oh does your wife drive your truck?" Here every family basically owns a pickup. Idaho has a lot of BLM land, (se…

Just a small point:

> Trucks offer HUGE cabs (larger than a lot of SUVs), with the convenience of a huge bed for throwing toys or moving things

Generally, the huger the cab, the smaller the bed. It actually annoys me how popular 6 ft (or less!) beds have gotten in recent years. Especially when so much lumber comes in 8 ft length.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by wiremaus »

jacurtis wrote: post #449
kgermino wrote: post #328

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Pickups are convenient any many (probably most) owners have them for good reasons, but living in a Midwestern city I run into so many "bad" pickup drivers it's hard not to get frustrated with them generally. A lot of people around here have big, tall pickups with tiny beds that they drive very aggressively. They rarely use them for anything I couldn't put in my Fit (I've known several people who would never haul dirt…

> Many modern pickups have a high front grill that is dangerous for pedestrians and designed to be intimidating I get what you are trying to say, but had to mention that all front grills of vehicles are dangerous to pedestrians. It's just a bit of a strawman argument to say "Well when I hit people with my car it will be worse if I own a truck, so I'm going to own a Prius so that the pedestrians roll right off".

It's arguably not a strawman argument in the slightest.

There have been changes made to these trucks that do a great job of looking aesthetically "tough and mean" and selling trucks, while also making them more dangerous to other road users: not just to pedestrians, but to other cars via the bumper overlap issue.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/the-dange...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by JeremyNT »

Someone1234 wrote: post #307
_coveredInBees wrote: post #175

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

I could legitimately see every job site having at least one as a rolling power station. That could be a very useful and popular niche, construction sites without power at early phases of construction aren't rare and power tool batteries are expensive.

I think it could be quite useful in construction, food trucks, events - any situation you normally see generators.

However, even better for that kind of stuff would be a hybrid with a smaller battery, but a generator in the frunk (sort of like the Volt).

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by lamontcg »

orthecreedence wrote: post #448
dboreham wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Yeah, I moved out to the country(ish) recently after living in SF and swore off ever getting a truck. Within a year of being out here, finally caved and got one and haven't looked back. I still have the smaller honda for longer trips, but the truck has opened up an entire world (getting plywood sheets/siding/lumber, dump runs, towing, etc). So much of the stuff I used to think "I can't do that myself" now just takes…

I just scuba dive and a truck is a lot better for hundreds of pounds of wet smelly gear than anything else. Plus you can go to the dump, or pick stuff up from Lowe's, etc.

But its only an old Ford Ranger and not a F950 that is raised enough to crawl over boulders on Mars.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by lotsofpulp »

beaner wrote: post #343
whymauri wrote: post #256

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>It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. I got a rental car recently and they gave me a bright red pickup because it was the fastest option. I was surprised by the good vibes I got from all the other pickup drivers, lol. It's like I got inducted into a secret club for a day with a lot of waves and thumbs up. A woman went up to my group in a parking lot and said something like "Hell yea…

It's just the age-old bias of disliking what you don't know because you haven't spent time around it. It's not categorically any different from something like racism.

What if someone dislikes pickups (and other vehicles with those size/height characteristics, purchased for vanity) that objectively make life more dangerous for kids playing in the street, pedestrians, bicyclists, and others in smaller vehicles?

Is that in the same category as racism?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by dashundchen »

jacurtis wrote: post #449
kgermino wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pickups are convenient any many (probably most) owners have them for good reasons, but living in a Midwestern city I run into so many "bad" pickup drivers it's hard not to get frustrated with them generally. A lot of people around here have big, tall pickups with tiny beds that they drive very aggressively. They rarely use them for anything I couldn't put in my Fit (I've known several people who would never haul dirt…

> Many modern pickups have a high front grill that is dangerous for pedestrians and designed to be intimidating I get what you are trying to say, but had to mention that all front grills of vehicles are dangerous to pedestrians. It's just a bit of a strawman argument to say "Well when I hit people with my car it will be worse if I own a truck, so I'm going to own a Prius so that the pedestrians roll right off".

Trucks have been getting taller, with higher hoods, steeper windshields and worse forward visibility for the same capability. Not to mention more common in the US in general.

https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1338051592856092672

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/the-dange...

https://theweek.com/articles/929196/case-against-american-tr...

As a cyclist and pedestrian in the city it's a nightmare - you can never tell if the driver can actually see you vs sedans and hatchbacks at your eye level.

Unsurprisingly pedestrian deaths from drivers have spiked in the past few years.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by hintymad »

hintymad wrote: post #537
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

> burn your house down while wearing a MAGA hat or something. That's not what I saw last year and this year on news channel. I saw "mostly peaceful" protests, or so CNN/WaPo/NYT/MSNBC/ABC told me, from justice warriors. And I don't why those media were not sticking to the truth, as everything has been peaceful. Just as my trusted author of The 1619 Project said: "Destroying property, which can be replaced, is not vio…

Since when stating facts deserves downvote? Did the media not say the protests were "most peaceful"? Was it not CNN reporter who said the exact words in front of a burning building? Did Nicole Hanna-Jones not say "Destroying property, which can be replaced, is not violence"? Was it not justice warriors (I use it as a neutral word, as it does not makes sense to use left vs right) who protested last year? What did I miss?

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Post by throwaway9870 »

ben7799 wrote: post #349
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

> If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck.

Many tradesmen that don't get company vehicles like to own pickups because they can haul stuff for work and their jobsite. Some of those people might even live in apartments. Imagine that!

The amount of arrogance on this site is ridiculous. Just because you might know how to hook up a NAND gate or write some javascript code doesn't mean you are qualified to decide what vehicle someone should own. Please just stop the judgemental posts.

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