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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Could you point out where the article claims that? It's padded extensively with selective and often irrelevant factoids and speculation about ADHD diagnosis, recreational drug use, etc.

> the US ( 92% of the world spending on these agents [35].

92% of spending doesn't imply 84% of consumption. The same drugs cost more there than the rest of the world. And new drugs start there often.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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I've noticed throughout my life that negative outcomes that primarily affect females (math test scores, wage gap, etc) are Huge Problems That Demand Immediate Action, and negative outcomes that primarily affect males (language test scores, life expectancy gap) are just kind of how it is. I'm not bitching about it or pushing an agenda, but it's not subtle.

As long as males have to compete to woo females, the natural order will persist. Every species on earth shows us this: "males are disposable, females matter". A 1M:100F ratio can revive an extinct species. A 1F:100M ratio is a blood bath. There are zero incentives for powerful men to help underperforming men, while women have neither natural nor sociological pressures stopping them from helping other women. For bette…

The population ratio is irrelevant. The relevant ratio is ‘actively seeking reproduction in the same age and social class’. Nearly all men in the progressive career class are actively seeking reproduction, and very few women. This is because, in this social class, the opportunity cost of reproduction is low for men and high for women. It is massively the opposite in low social class. I think you might be shocked to experience gender dynamics in largely poor and uneducated communities. The desperation for suitable male mates is palpable.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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> I'd assume most school administrators are women. At least in the United States, this isn’t at all true. A disproportionate number of administrators (especially when adjusted for the normal male/female teacher breakdown) are male. There have also been many studies that show that teachers call on boys more, praised them more (they acknowledge girls, praise boys), and talk with them more. So your assumptions are compl…

Do you have a citation for the number of administrators breakdown? I didn't see a reference in the Time article but maybe I missed it.

Also, "administrator" gender breakdowns is a diversion. The actual thing that needs addressing is the gender breakdown of teachers. I.e. the people that physically talk/teach to students during their education.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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poorly written 7's can look like 1's, and 5's like 6's. I lost a lot of points in high school math because I couldn't read what I had just written on the previous line!

Taking notes for my maths degree I learnt to 'cross' my 7s and zs.

More suggestions that I learnt: Put a line at the base of your 1, otherwise it looks like a lowercase l. Plus it helps distinguish it from 7's that aren't crossed out.

Same goes for 4's. A lot of people don't make the top into a closed triangle shape. Instead they write it like an unfinished or upside-down h.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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It may be true that men have historically dominated the top of most institutions—that most "oppressors" are men—but it doesn't follow that the majority of men are privileged or that most women are oppressed and disadvantaged, especially in modern western societies.

Yes, that is called the "apex fallacy."

One thing I’d really like to see less of on this board, is argumentation by labeling an idea with some obscure field-dependent term, with no other logical support presented. Admittedly we allow this in mathematically rigorous fields, and there is, perhaps, some discussion to be had about what is rigorously proven as an inviolable natural law in the social sciences. It seems to me that such terms are admissible in the natural sciences only when based on clear parameters of disproof, and evidence, broadly sought, has never been shown to refute it. But in progressive social sciences, and nearly all denominations of politics and religion, these terms are used to deny the admissibility of any evidence against an assertion. This is a fundamental disagreement of the mechanisms of reasoning and communication, and I’m not sure how the two can exist together, but for some reason they always have. For academics, the required canon has simply shifted from Catholicism to social justice. I wonder if there would be some fatal flaw within any gathering of the purely rational such that they must be balanced by the irrational. Or perhaps it is a mutual exchange of the long-term respect and value creation due to risk and rigor, for the short-term financial support of those that would rather pay tuition to pretend.

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> HN is not mature enough to hold a discussion related to gender issues. underrated comment from the old thread

Agreed, on HN most members are castrated/low testosterone/nerd boys.

N of 1 here, but, you may be right. My activity on this board is inversely proportional to my success and virility on the outernet.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Not really. I'd argue that standardized tests are much better than grades. Particularly for any grade level below university. At university level, the grades are more accurate (but still flawed) because the grade is typically 70-80% test and quiz based. My experience in the US with grades for middle school and high school is that it's 85-90% non-examination based-- Meaning it's essentially a measure for how well you…

Then you have a population training for the test and you end up with people that are overfit for the standardized test and underfit for reality.

What about the classroom has anything to do with reality? If anything, the extent of the failure of any adult organization is perhaps the extent to which it has borrowed ideas from social programming in the classroom.

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Except if people actually prepare for the standardized tests in some way or another as is usually the case ... "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure." Your point is still valid though, I find university test scores more "accurate" too, whatever that means for learning.

Preparing to solve questions in STEM subjects is what learning STEM is all about.

I’m not sure about that. The goal is to make something. I’ve come to appreciate Joe Gebbia’s description of art school as likely superior to my STEM education.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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With shrinking recess time and PE disappearing from some schools, I also wonder if a lot of this is caused by boys having more energy and needing more movement than girls. Energy has to go somewhere so it ends up manifesting itself in behaviors that are deemed "disruptive" (really, not sitting still and being unable to concentrate on tasks). Maybe it's something that female administrators and teachers fail to underst…

Future generations will consider us barbarians for dosing our young boys with drugs because we providing them with physical education/exercise was inconvenient to us. They'll also be able to datamine the internet from this time period and use our own words to hang us.

> They'll also be able to datamine the internet

We are such barbarians that I assume that tech will not exist to future generations.

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