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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by adrr »

sanedigital wrote: post #221
nkrisc wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not gonna lie: I find it very difficult to be upset by this when the site was a haven for people who want to mass executions for people like me. For me, the world is a little more complex than "privacy at all costs." It's hard to decide where to draw the line.

Talk about hyperbole. In no way did even 1% of the population on Parler want mass executions for people like you.

We have the data. That would be easy to prove what percentage of active users called for violence both in public and private messages.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by bzb6 »

Wintamute wrote: post #534
beepboopbeep wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not unreasonable for a person instigating something through negative posts to receive negative reactions in return. That seems self evident.

I think the point is that you don't need to make "negative posts" about those topics, rather discussing them from any angle that isn't the accepted progressive orthodoxy results in the ban hammer.

Even here: my comment is already flagged.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by ardy42 »

liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

> This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform.

Which is not surprising, given how the term free speech is getting twisted these days. It seems the term is now used more often to whine about others who don't want to disseminate a faction's lies (without comment!) than to actually argue for the free exchange of ideas in good faith.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by hnuser847 »

lghh wrote: post #481
whimsicalism wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that standard, Instagram is a propaganda weapon. It both: a. pays popular users b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration [0] [0] https://twitter.com/ben_awareness/status/1339293381625864195

That claim about the Crime Bill is mostly accurate. The vast, vast, vast, majority of incarceration is the fault of states and not done at a federal level. While the bill was deplorable, it didn't really contribute all that much. https://twitter.com/johnfpfaff/status/1128369019164200960?la...

There's a legitimate debate to be had over the consequences of the 1994 crime bill and whether or not is was a good policy. The point is that Instagram (and every other social media platform that puts these disclaimers on their posts) is not merely moderating content any more. They're actively participating in politics and trying to persuade their users to feel a certain way about controversial topics. Which is to say, they're really no different than Parler or any of the big box media outlets.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by arbitrage »

beshrkayali wrote: post #69
stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

The ramifications of this will absolutely set a record for the future as the inevitable reverse will happen. People are forgetting that if they're ok with this sort of behavior now, it'll be difficult for them to argue-against or prevent the same behavior when their opposites are in control.

The ramifications for pursuing and persecuting traitors to the United States of American are going to be what, exactly?

Please tell me how rooting out seditionists is a bad thing.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by dx87 »

estomagordo wrote: post #426
sanedigital wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That applies equally to the rest of the internet.

So let's start by looking at Hacker News. Where on HN can we see people plotting mass executions like that?

In the initial post about the Capitol being shut down,t here were people saying that everyone who broke into the capitol building needed to be tried for treason and executed, or saying that the police should have opened fire and killed anyone who broke in. The mods removed the comments, but HN isn't some paragon of virtue that isn't susceptible to the same calls for violence as any other site.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by KnobbleMcKnees »

bzb6 wrote: post #467
whimsicalism wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'm confused as to the relevance to this thread. This person claimed that two attributes made Parler a "propaganda weapon", I noted that other major platforms have those same properties, so you tacked on another condition. Presumably this was all in an effort to say something along the lines of - "because of the unique situation Parler is in, these actions were permissible." No?

I’m one of the most right wing and pro free speech humans to ever set foot on this site. You are beating up the wrong person. I was merely replying to you regardless of what your parent comment said.

They're using this bad faith / fallacious argument all over the thread, so, at the least, it isn't personal.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

myWindoonn wrote: post #203
mabbo wrote: post #169

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Yeah, but you said it with what looked like a lot of sarcasm and criticism. I said it with a tone of "Oh shit, I could have done exactly the same thing". Empathy. But it's a fun point of the nuances of language, isn't it? Maybe I misunderstood you.

Well, having empathy with growth hackers is reprehensible and worth critiquing. The idea of growing a business for the sake of having a big business is horrifying; it's the desire to explicitly build a large social institution and use it to damage and oppress people. From that perspective, you're the one lacking in empathy; you would like us to have our sympathies lie with the few who build businesses, rather than th…

I think you are allowed to have empathy for both.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by cbozeman »

TameAntelope wrote: post #263
stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

I'm willing to own my belief these people are bad guys, no need to protect me by saying the media told me so.

If you think every person on Parler is a bad person, you're mentally deranged, period.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by awb »

Wintamute wrote: post #534
beepboopbeep wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not unreasonable for a person instigating something through negative posts to receive negative reactions in return. That seems self evident.

I think the point is that you don't need to make "negative posts" about those topics, rather discussing them from any angle that isn't the accepted progressive orthodoxy results in the ban hammer.

> discussing them from any angle that isn't the accepted progressive orthodoxy results in the ban hammer

What are some examples of this?

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