If it's a condition for international travel, which in some way it likely will be, then anyone wanting to travel won't really have a choice. Given that, I'll be getting it. Australia is in a bit of a weird position in that I have no idea what level of virus circulating we'll tolerate even post vaccine though, and I must admit it's concerning that we might reduce deaths by 99% with the vaccine but still not tolerate any infections.
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#562Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not going to explain how clinical trials work and why you should trust that process. Again, bad situations do not invalidate all work being done in a field.
Are we talking about the same process which allowed companies for decades to hide trials which where not in their favor? Or until recently where not obliged to publish the trial results? Not to forget, many trials are not reproducible either. Compared to the "hard" sciences, medicine has not very high standards. And trials are completely profit-motivated, that's a bad incentive. These trials are conducted by the same…
Unfortunately it's impossible to have this conversation when the person is saying "I'm following the science but I won't explain the science to you". You may as well run into a brick wall
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#563I voted WILL WAIT simply because the idea of becoming Will Smith in my own "I Am Legend" city is appealing.
Doesn't it scare you more to actually be Will Smith in "I am legend"? He's alone. All those other people were always hanging out together, chasing stuff, hiding from the sun.
He thought he was saving the world but it turned out there was a whole bunch doing just fine in Vermont.
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#564Why take a vaccine for something healthy people like me fight off in a day or two? It doesn't make sense.
I can take a Zinc tablet, and some Vitamin D, or HCQ, etc.
Now older and sicker people should think otherwise, or those who interact regularly with those populations.
And yes, I know asymptomatics allegedly, potentially, in some rare cases, might possibly spread it to people who may get seriously ill. That is what we called "nature" before 2020.
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#565It's my civic duty to take it as soon as it's offered to me, even if there's some minuscule chance that there will be an averse side effect. That said, I'll likely be towards the end of the line given my health and occupation.
Why is it your civic duty? What will you having this vaccine do for anybody but yourself?
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#566The process has been too rushed and now the white house is interfering with the approval process. If the vaccine is not safe, then administering it to everyone at once could be as bad or worse than COVID. I'll be looking to the CDCs/FDAs of other countries because ours is tainted at this point.
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#567Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've had Covid-19. As far as I know we still don't know if having it leads to immunity but wouldn't having it and recovering be "better" than a vaccine? If so, why get a vaccine for something you are immune to?
Another question you may ask is why get a vaccine for something your body has proven it can fight?
Because you can unknowingly transmit it to someone who simply cannot take the vaccine (allergic people, pregnant women, etc).
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#568Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure why you would think a vaccine being managed by the government will be rolled out in a sane and consistent manner? edit As was correctly pointed out, I should mention I'm speaking purely about the US and not any other country.
So your argument is "government bad". I counter with "government good". See how productive this discussion is?
I think his argument was "government is typically inefficient." is your counterclaim that government is typically efficient?
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#569Earlier quoted context omitted.
We also don't know what the effects of covid are in 10 years.
This argument, while technically true, is relatively dismissive of all that we have learned about the virus. Of primary importance, COVID-19 appears to be easily and completely cleared by the human immune system and does not appear to become latent by settling in immune privileged areas or by integrating itself into the human genome or body in any other way (like Epstein-Barr, Herpesvirus, HIV, etc.) Outside of the m…
What do you think about all these people with long covid then? I've seen studies suggesting that it's pretty common, as well as anectodal observations, although I don't have any links handy off the top of my head.
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#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
Outside clinical trials nobody in Germany or France has been vaccinated as there are no approved vaccines in those countries.
> nobody in Germany or France has been vaccinated as there are no approved vaccines Which creates a force field around the warehouses in which it sits? Come on. I guess I’ll revise to I know of people with substantial resources, hundreds of millions and billions at their disposal, who have been injected with something they believe to be the Pfizer vaccine.
JumpCrisscross is on point here, the level of naivte in the discussion is a little much.
This is a global pandemic, trials with 30 000 patients x 5, each one of those vials worth an absolute fortune, there's a 100% chance quite a bit of it has fled into the black market and a sophisticated one at that.
And to wit - there are a lot of people being 'officially' vaccinated right now behind the scenes they're not going to tell us about.
It might be dangerous for politicians to get it early, because if asked by reporters either they have to lie, or say 'yes' and then public outcry.
Special Forces, the Secret Service and some other security personal - just a some examples are going to get it long before we plebes. Among others.