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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by paul7986 »

GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

Ummm this country is built upon free speech ... all free speech from the dawn of time has either been true or false!

Youtube getting involved and hushing any type of free speech that does not cause physical harm or threatening to one's life is vile and disgusting period!

I am independent who leans republican yet did not/could not vote for the maniac.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by bbg24 »

MGGJFU wrote: post #364
bbg24 wrote: post #338

> We also disallow content alleging widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of a historical U.S. Presidential election. How can any honest person accept this state of affairs? What would be the reaction of the gleefully censorious US big tech employees, many here on HN, if non-US social media giant enacted such measures in their locality? I don't see evidence that the 2020 election stolen from the Republican c…

> but this is a huge red flag that something might be going on On the contrary. This is an indicator of the Republican claims being based on no evidence. The fact that these lies happen to be incredibly damaging to the perception of US democracy is a good enough reason for a private company to decide not to host it. It's not part of an even larger coverup, as you seem to believe. Do you know how many people would nee…

To be clear, I did not say this is part of a larger coverup, as you seem to believe. I stated, quite clearly, I see no evidence that anything particularly strange has happened.

I suggested that a major tech firm banning content which challenges election results, not only this most recent election, would be considered a red flag if it were to happen anywhere else.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by merpnderp »

How stupid is Youtube to think this will do anything but make people believe all the lies they're hearing? "Would Youtube do this unprecedented thing unless it was true?"

Why not just let the marketplace of ideas shake things out? They can't magic away people's beliefs, they aren't the CCP. So they might as well let people hash it out.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by jmull »

99_00 wrote: post #417
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

>we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such I think that mainstream news has been doing this for the past 4 years. Here are 3 examples: 1) Trump Russia collusion hoax. 2) Trump saying that neo-nazis and white supremacists are "fine people" hoax. 3) Trump recommending people "inject bleach" ho…

I watched live as Trump suggested during a Covid-19 briefing that injecting disinfectant might be an effective treatment.

That’s not some MSM lie, that’s just what he said. Why deny it?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

I know its weird, but if I don't like YouTube here in the USA, I can choose to watch videos somewhere else, it isn't my only choice. Except in China, YouTube isn't a choice at all (even via a flaky VPN, video streaming is iffy).

As another analogy, there have been resemblances made between Trump and Xi as both being authoritarians. However, one was unelected, and one declared himself president for life. Huge difference (and if Trump overturns the election, that difference will be gone, but that's a huge "if").

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by felipellrocha »

cambalache wrote: post #421
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> But... There is no "buts" regarding freedom. I dont know if you have any experience with authoritarian measures but none of them starts like "This is a bad and permanent measure for no reason"... all of them are "exceptional", "to ensure public safety" ,"only valid as long as extraordinary circumstances are present"..all of them. The democrats were claiming fraud 4 years go due to a supposed Russian influence.The e…

Brb... Gonna yell fire in a crowded theater.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by deeeeplearning »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

>We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment.

You're being sarcastic but growing up we used to joke around saying "I saw it on the internet so it must be true" and now a significant portion of the population actually uses this as a guideline for truth.

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Post by pestaa »

TomMckenny wrote: post #524
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

Note it is backwards to think that if a platform _fails_ to carry the regime's message then _the platform_ is impeding freedom rather than noting that it is _the government_ that is applying anti-freedom pressure on a dissenting _non government_ organization. Youtube is _not_ the government but by reigning in falsehoods, is acting in _opposition_ to the government here. So what Youtube is doing is the very definition…

Finally, someone!

A private company doing content moderation & censorship is not a violation of the free speech amendment.

Freedom of expression is not freedom to use any platform or service -- it is protection against state level actors.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by kr99x »

No! God, I don't understand why people keep falling into this mindset. Do not hide/remove/censor/block/stop speech because of its content, ever, for any reason! Let all speak their piece, and let all hear what they choose to hear. There are a zillion and one reasons this is the right way to do things that people in first-world countries are forgetting.

Here's the easiest one to grasp: if you create the tools to suppress an idea and willingly let some party make use of them, then you have fulfilled all the preconditions for suppressing good ideas and true ideas except for "who holds the button" - but guess what? You can never guarantee button-holding status in the future! It is dangerous to enable, allow, or normalize speech suppression because you are doing the future bad guys' job for them in the process and making it easier to enact horrifying human rights abuses in the future.

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