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Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by jjn2009 »

luckydata wrote: post #391
jjn2009 wrote: post #289

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were talking about cameras that are actively scanning your room, you do realize this thing is painting a detailed 3d picture of your house right?

how much do you think FB would care about that, even if that data was actually uploaded (which it isn't because it would be extremely expensive for everyone involved). C'mon, I get the hate but this is worst than tinfoil hat conspiracies.

You could try find various objects in the room on device and send a list of identifiers. The XR platform seems quite capable of that.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by cwhiz »

rektide wrote: post #428
cwhiz wrote: post #426

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Valve is hilariously stagnant. The Steam windows app went ignored for nearly a decade until Epic came in and started eating their lunch. The mobile app looks like a contracted out app from 2009. Seriously, go download the mobile app. Half the products or ideas they’ve come up with abandoned, never release, or are mediocre. They lack any clear vision, strategy or direction as a company. They seem like they would just…

What stodgy complainy whininess. I can play 60%+ of games on Linux because Valve cares way more than anyone else. Big Picture works great for a console like experience far better than anyone elses. Valve Controller let's practically any game under the sun be couch & controller playable. Remote Play, then Remote Play Together, now Remote Play Tablet blow everything else out of the water. I'm sorry the you doesn't meet…

>Valve Controller let's practically any game under the sun be couch & controller playable.

The Steam Controller is dead.

>I can play 60%+ of games on Linux because Valve cares way more than anyone else.

Steam OS is dead. The open source community is more responsible for Linux gaming than Valve. Valve has supported Linux in the (hilariously) limited number of titles they've released in the last decade, and has added some support to the open source community. They are not the driver behind Linux gaming.

>Remote Play, then Remote Play Together, now Remote Play Tablet blow everything else out of the water.

Steam Link is no longer in production. Legitimately, have you ever tried other remote play alternatives? There is just no way you can say this with a straight face. The Valve apps are truly crap.

>Steam is a technical juggernaut. No one else is even playing. Steam is super under appreciated

What? This isn't a difficult problem to solve. There are a dozen game libraries similar to Steam that do the same job, but significantly better. The only thing Steam has going for it is the DRM stickiness that they acquired by being the only player in the PC space for so long.

>Steam is innovating at the edge in radical ways, & they are always always always trying to spread the love, not steal the sunshine.

Legitimately, tell me how they are innovating in "radical ways."

This is comically absurd take that is utterly divorced from reality. Half of what you mentioned to love about Valve is related to canceled or abandoned stuff.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by gonehome »

filoleg wrote: post #554
gonehome wrote: post #298

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> "You can play them on Quest the exact same way you were able to on Rift." Yeah, but the entire point of buying the Quest is so I don't have to play them the exact way I was able to on the Rift. For a comparison, what you're describing feels like this: 1. I buy a videogame on steam and play it on my computer. 2. I buy a new computer and download steam. 3. Steam tells me that I have to rebuy the game to play it on ne…

>It's ridiculous that the quest version of the game is a separate thing you have to buy even though it's the same store. Again, this isn't Oculus' fault in this case, but the dev's. It is dev's choice whether to offer their product as cross-buy or not. And, in a lot of cases, it makes sense why they didn't do it. For example, if the differences between versions are so stark that they are almost different games, payin…

I'd argue that it is Oculus' fault, they own the platform and could force the devs to do it if they want to be in the store.

Do you think Apple would put up with this kind of thing?

I buy a ton of software and I'm happy to support devs, but this isn't that.

Rebuying the same product from the same store to use on an iteration of the Oculus' VR hardware sucks. My guess is they looked and figured it didn't matter since there were so few Rift S owners.

Would you be okay with having to rebuy the same games every VR hardware release?

> "And, in a lot of cases, it makes sense why they didn't do it. For example, if the differences between versions are so stark that they are almost different games, paying separately makes sense."

Sure, but that's not the case.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by rektide »

cwhiz wrote: post #562
rektide wrote: post #428

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What stodgy complainy whininess. I can play 60%+ of games on Linux because Valve cares way more than anyone else. Big Picture works great for a console like experience far better than anyone elses. Valve Controller let's practically any game under the sun be couch & controller playable. Remote Play, then Remote Play Together, now Remote Play Tablet blow everything else out of the water. I'm sorry the you doesn't meet…

>Valve Controller let's practically any game under the sun be couch & controller playable. The Steam Controller is dead. >I can play 60%+ of games on Linux because Valve cares way more than anyone else. Steam OS is dead. The open source community is more responsible for Linux gaming than Valve. Valve has supported Linux in the (hilariously) limited number of titles they've released in the last decade, and has added s…

Heavens you are a little bitch. Ignorant too. Fine I'll muster a reply to this horseshit. You don't fucking deserve it you turd.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by cubano »

moron4hire wrote: post #547
cubano wrote: post #544

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I would tend to agree with you, but is's John Carmack leading the software group for it and I just cannot believe that he hasn't done a bunch of optimizations and other work. It would just negate a reputation that he has worked his ass off his entire life to build if he hasn't done valuable targeted work on the visuals of the device.

But he did most of that work on Gear VR (Snapdragon 805 when it first came out for the Galaxy Note 4) and Go (Snapdragon 821), long before Qualcomm started sinking so much stuff into the SOC (Snapdragon 835). My understanding with his involvement on Quest 1 was that he was primarily concerned with the PC streaming. His role since November is "Consulting CTO", which I basically take to mean "on call for questions as n…

Yes your information definitely creates a reasonable doubt that he would have had the time and job description to do serious head-down graphical-stack type developments.

But I have a return volley for you...who on the Facebook/Oculas graphics programming team, knowing that jcarmack was your boss, wouldn't go full nuts on trying to create some slick tech to impress him with? I'm sure FB has the pick of the crop when it comes to hiring talent, and at least of few of those guys would have to be his fanboys and come up with very useful optimizations and enhancements to add to the Quest graphical stack, right?

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by dang »

rektide wrote: post #564
cwhiz wrote: post #562

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>Valve Controller let's practically any game under the sun be couch & controller playable. The Steam Controller is dead. >I can play 60%+ of games on Linux because Valve cares way more than anyone else. Steam OS is dead. The open source community is more responsible for Linux gaming than Valve. Valve has supported Linux in the (hilariously) limited number of titles they've released in the last decade, and has added s…

Heavens you are a little bitch. Ignorant too. Fine I'll muster a reply to this horseshit. You don't fucking deserve it you turd.

Yikes. Posting like this will get you banned on HN, and we've already had to warn you about this multiple times. I'm not going to ban you right now because you've also posted good comments, but please use HN as intended going forward. That means thoughtful, substantive comments, curious conversation, and no more flamewars.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by dang »

cwhiz wrote: post #562
rektide wrote: post #428

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What stodgy complainy whininess. I can play 60%+ of games on Linux because Valve cares way more than anyone else. Big Picture works great for a console like experience far better than anyone elses. Valve Controller let's practically any game under the sun be couch & controller playable. Remote Play, then Remote Play Together, now Remote Play Tablet blow everything else out of the water. I'm sorry the you doesn't meet…

>Valve Controller let's practically any game under the sun be couch & controller playable. The Steam Controller is dead. >I can play 60%+ of games on Linux because Valve cares way more than anyone else. Steam OS is dead. The open source community is more responsible for Linux gaming than Valve. Valve has supported Linux in the (hilariously) limited number of titles they've released in the last decade, and has added s…

Please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN. It's not what this site is for, and we ban accounts that do it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by numpad0 »

someperson wrote: post #476
numpad0 wrote: post #454

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Google and HTC both independently failed to match Oculus. I don’t think an open source implementation at this stage would work at all.

If not now then when? Given the top-notch specifications, Facebook appear to be selling at least for the 64GB Quest 2 at a significant loss. The advantage of an open-source custom firmware is it will leverage all the work that the Oculus hardware engineers have done, and the subsidized price. Or do you believe standalone VR headsets are doomed to being closed forever? It does suprise me that Google effectively gave u…

Maybe I was too far into some denial. I retract some of my words. A rooted Quest 2 is going to be sizzling device in some ways, I admit.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by NavinF »

bserge wrote: post #490
VRay wrote: post #343

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> Quest can do the exact same thing [as a Rift S] There's multi-frame latency and compression artifacts involved in this. It's really disingenuous to say that a Quest 2 is unambiguously better than an actual PC VR headset

Oculus Link uses USB-C

What does that have to do with anything?

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by moron4hire »

cubano wrote: post #565
moron4hire wrote: post #547

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But he did most of that work on Gear VR (Snapdragon 805 when it first came out for the Galaxy Note 4) and Go (Snapdragon 821), long before Qualcomm started sinking so much stuff into the SOC (Snapdragon 835). My understanding with his involvement on Quest 1 was that he was primarily concerned with the PC streaming. His role since November is "Consulting CTO", which I basically take to mean "on call for questions as n…

Yes your information definitely creates a reasonable doubt that he would have had the time and job description to do serious head-down graphical-stack type developments. But I have a return volley for you...who on the Facebook/Oculas graphics programming team, knowing that jcarmack was your boss, wouldn't go full nuts on trying to create some slick tech to impress him with? I'm sure FB has the pick of the crop when i…

Facebook only has the pick of engineers they can convince to move to California and work for Mark Zuckerberg. I know it's hard to believe, but there are a lot of us who have turned them down on multiple occasions.

The competency of FANG engineers in general is highly overrated. They are humans. They don't have access to some kind of forbidden knowledge. The idea that these companies are uniquely competent such that competitors don't even have a chance is largely a marketing story.

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