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Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Post by austincheney »

potatoz2 wrote: post #554
austincheney wrote: post #496

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Its like yelling at a customer and slashing their tires only to be confused why that customer doesn't wish to continue being your customer. Then blaming the customer for their lack of commitment and being somehow dumbfounded by their change of opinion.

That's an extremely poor comparison: you are not a customer, you are a co-equal citizen.

If that were true we wouldn't need crowds to impose influence. Any one individual would be enough to influence any one other individual on the merits of the argument, but that's not how most people operate. Any attempt to influence is a sell no different than selling a hand bag.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Post by iso1631 »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #263
iso1631 wrote: post #74

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Athens dates back before cities like Damascus and Jehrico, and probably even before Luxor. Not aware of any cities in China older than about 2000BC.

> Athens dates back before cities like Damascus and Jehrico, I think that is highly controversial to say the least. I think the accepted consensus is Jericho is the oldest continuously inhabited city.

Wikipedia says

Jericho: "late 1st millennium BC"

Athens: 5th–4th millennia BC

Mind you I had a picnic yesterday at a village that was settled c. 1000 BC, and has evidence of people living there before then. It's nothing particularly special.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Post by romanoderoma »

jp555 wrote: post #507
romanoderoma wrote: post #384

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Houston homicide rate: 12.1 murders per 100,000 population Nigeria homicide rate: 4.5 murders per 100,000 population Siena homicide rate: It all depends on how you spend that money...

Hiwi group (hunter gatherers) in Papa New Guinea homicide rate: 1018 murders per 100,0000 population. https://books.google.ca/books?id=YtwSz2A12e8C&q=153&redir_es... But.... so what?

> But.... so what?

That they are an undeveloped society

Are you comparing US to undeveloped countries?

Do you understand that the richest country in the World has a worse homicide rate than Nigeria?

If I have to chose, i prefer living where they don't shoot me rather than where the city produces a very high GDP...

Beijing has a GDP 517.876 billion dollars.

So, according to the original post, it must be like living in Houston.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Post by romanoderoma »

crmrc114 wrote: post #524
romanoderoma wrote: post #373

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Not exactly https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_aqueduct https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_roads

Sure, lets talk about cities before the advent of interchangeable parts and the industrial revolution to argue for why early industry did not need rail or waterway to carry heavy logistics. Makes sense.

> interchangeable parts

I don't understand why you are protesting.

Romans already had interchangeable parts.

Evidence of the use of interchangeable parts can be traced back over two thousand years to Carthage in the First Punic War. Carthaginian ships had standardized, interchangeable parts that even came with assembly instructions akin to "tab A into slot B" marked on them.

> why early industry did not need rail or waterway to carry heavy logistics

you are conflating two arguments.

Ancient civilizations became large empires without railways.

Some of them built giant pyramids in the middle of the desert...

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Post by crmrc114 »

romanoderoma wrote: post #564
crmrc114 wrote: post #524

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Sure, lets talk about cities before the advent of interchangeable parts and the industrial revolution to argue for why early industry did not need rail or waterway to carry heavy logistics. Makes sense.

> interchangeable parts I don't understand why you are protesting. Romans already had interchangeable parts. Evidence of the use of interchangeable parts can be traced back over two thousand years to Carthage in the First Punic War. Carthaginian ships had standardized, interchangeable parts that even came with assembly instructions akin to "tab A into slot B" marked on them. > why early industry did not need rail or…

Your still talking bespoke production and one off methods. Large Empire =/= Large Empire w/Mass Manufacturing. If your going to compare the bronze age with the world post industrial revolution I just don't know what else I can tell you. Manufacturing in the two eras is completely unrelated. You are cherrypicking the best way to support some argument that heavy industry does not need heavy transport.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Post by kmlx »

ric2b wrote: post #498
kmlx wrote: post #347

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two issues with that list: most of those cities are poor, or at least not as affluent as others. and except glasgow, none accept english speakers. and since we're doing lists, these are the most expensive cities i lived in (coincidentally some of them are the best cities in the world to live in, bar none): - sydney - tokyo - singapore - hong kong - london all top notch, all extremely expensive. moral of the story is:…

> and except glasgow, none accept english speakers. What do you mean by don't accept? Porto and Lisbon are quite easy to get around as an English speaker, most young people are very decent at speaking English.

there is a huge difference between "getting around" and "moving to, paying taxes, establishing a company, having locals as friends, selling your product to locals". none of these can be achieved with english since they do not have it as an official language. sure, there are ways around it, but it is a huge downside, especially when things get hairy.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Post by jp555 »

romanoderoma wrote: post #563
jp555 wrote: post #507

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Hiwi group (hunter gatherers) in Papa New Guinea homicide rate: 1018 murders per 100,0000 population. https://books.google.ca/books?id=YtwSz2A12e8C&q=153&redir_es... But.... so what?

> But.... so what? That they are an undeveloped society Are you comparing US to undeveloped countries? Do you understand that the richest country in the World has a worse homicide rate than Nigeria? If I have to chose, i prefer living where they don't shoot me rather than where the city produces a very high GDP... Beijing has a GDP 517.876 billion dollars. So, according to the original post, it must be like living in…

You think a society that's been stable for tens of thousands of years is undeveloped? Interesting.

Are you sure Nigeria is as reliable as the US for those stats?

You should check out the concept of Ergodicty. In your examples the ensemble average does not = the time-series average. You're saying something like "4 out of 5 Russian Roulette players had a great time playing, so I should as well".

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Post by jlawson »

sudosysgen wrote: post #548
jlawson wrote: post #546

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Funny, I never said "only voting". I also said you have a voice, use it. You seem to have completely ignored that paragraph. Perhaps you'd like to take a shot at actually responding to what I wrote. It is absolutely possible to protest without hurting innocent bystanders.

If your standard for "hurting innocent bystanders" is to mildly inconvenience some people by causing them to seek an alternative route, then no, it's not possible to have an effective protest under that standard. The right to protest is generally accepted to mean that people are allowed to walk in the street in an effort to be heard. I responded to what you wrote, and your arguments fall flat. Even during massive pro…

When you're blocked on the highway, you cannot leave. You're confined. No matter how sick you are, how hungry the baby is, how hot the car is getting, how low on gas or how late you are for work.

Stop being disingenous about what you're advocating. You're advocating confining people to their cars on the highway. Including old people, little kids, sick people. To force them to listen to you.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Post by msla »

sudosysgen wrote: post #548
jlawson wrote: post #546

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Funny, I never said "only voting". I also said you have a voice, use it. You seem to have completely ignored that paragraph. Perhaps you'd like to take a shot at actually responding to what I wrote. It is absolutely possible to protest without hurting innocent bystanders.

If your standard for "hurting innocent bystanders" is to mildly inconvenience some people by causing them to seek an alternative route, then no, it's not possible to have an effective protest under that standard. The right to protest is generally accepted to mean that people are allowed to walk in the street in an effort to be heard. I responded to what you wrote, and your arguments fall flat. Even during massive pro…

> If your standard for "hurting innocent bystanders" is to mildly inconvenience some people

No, the standard is potentially killing people.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Post by biaachmonkie »

austincheney wrote: post #534
ashtonkem wrote: post #530

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> That leap you speak to is only a minor baby step. It absolutely is not a baby step. In fact it is a really big deal to jump from your own experience to assuming the intent of other people . That is actually a really fast way to anger people in my experience, because it requires that you pretend that you understand what is going on in another person's head. Saying "your actions caused X" is pretty straightforward, b…

> It absolutely is not a baby step. In fact it is a really big deal to jump from your own experience to assuming the intent of other people. That is actually a really fast way to anger people in my experience, because it requires that you pretend that you understand what is going on in another person's head. That is not correct. If you are blocking a freeway causing hours of traffic delays then I am not making assump…

> From that moment forward I would vote against and fund in opposition to everything they advocate.

So given the protests in the U.S.recently have been about the treatment of minorities by the Police specifically the killing and abuse of black people. Are you saying that if you were to be stopped in traffic due to a such a protest you would then support, fund, and vote for more Police abuse and killing of black people? Is that really what you're saying?

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