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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by ubermonkey »

modoc wrote: post #211
ubermonkey wrote: post #112

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It's really baffling. The CarPlay experience in our Volkswagen is so good I cannot imagine ever going back to an automaker's in-house system. Even the ones in the luxury cars I've had -- BMW, Mercedes -- have been absolute crap compared to CarPlay. I don't even care that it requires USB.

I also LOVE CarPlay, however I'm baffled as to why more manufacturers don't equip the wireless CarPlay option. I have it in my daily driver, and it's so nice to be able to leave my phone in my pocket, or toss it on the wireless charging mat, and still have CarPlay work perfectly. But my brand new truck only has the wired option:(

That sounds cool, but I also find that for any drive over 10-15 minutes, it's probably a good time to top off the battery, and so the tethering doesn't bother me.

But I get what you're saying.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by ubermonkey »

AcerbicZero wrote: post #147
ubermonkey wrote: post #112

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It's really baffling. The CarPlay experience in our Volkswagen is so good I cannot imagine ever going back to an automaker's in-house system. Even the ones in the luxury cars I've had -- BMW, Mercedes -- have been absolute crap compared to CarPlay. I don't even care that it requires USB.

I can second this. I've used both CarPlay and Android Auto in my Golf R, and compared to a few rentals I've driven recently its amazing how much better VW is at this. Beyond just the normal controls (which can sometimes be hit or miss once you're in CarPlay/AndroidAuto mode) the extra little functionalities you notice are amazing. A good example is when using Google Maps I can zoom in/out by just pinching the touchsc…

Heh. My VW is a GTI, so we have the same system.

I didn't know until I saw it in my ex-sister-in-law's Alfa, but apparently there ARE CarPlay implementations that don't have touchscreens. That makes it much less easy, though still better than any automaker's.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by ubermonkey »

kemiller wrote: post #177
ubermonkey wrote: post #112

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It's really baffling. The CarPlay experience in our Volkswagen is so good I cannot imagine ever going back to an automaker's in-house system. Even the ones in the luxury cars I've had -- BMW, Mercedes -- have been absolute crap compared to CarPlay. I don't even care that it requires USB.

I have used and liked CarPlay and was put off by tesl not having it... until I tried Tesla’s. CarPlay is essential for routing around the horrible crap put out by most carmakers but the Tesla ui is awesome. It’s big, it’s fast, and it’s 100% focused on automotive use. I’d still like the option, but I can’t say I miss it.

I'm picking you to reply to, but several people noted they like the Tesla UI -- but none of the people I know IRL do. That's interesting.

What Tesla does is kind of irrelevant to us, though, since we're a 1-car family, and need to retain the ability to take long trips in areas with poor charger concentration. IOW, if we had 2 cars, one could definitely be a Tesla, but we don't need 2 cars.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kerkeslager »

aembleton wrote: post #447
kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Don't you find a reversing camera useful? You can see much more than with your rear view mirror.

I've never had one and I've never backed into anything without it.

I'm not really opposed to reversing cameras by themselves, but a) it takes up dashboard real estate for a feature I don't really use, and b) as soon as you put a screen on the dashboard, the company is going to want to put all sorts of annoying "features" into it.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by herewego »

moduspol wrote: post #551
herewego wrote: post #548

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I’m not sure why you’re getting upset. I have owned a Model S for 3yrs, I have close friends with Model 3’s that I have driven on a regular basis, and this is a reality that we all agree on. I am most definitely not misinformed. Nearly every setting is controlled on the touchscreen interface. I’m not sure why you would claim that is not the case.

Nearly every setting you'd use while driving is also on the steering wheel. Your claim was this: > You can not drive a Tesla without using the touchscreen on an almost constant basis. This is patently false, but I can't prove a negative. I drive the car every day without touching the screen, let alone on any constant basis, but I guess maybe you know better.

I think you are making false assumptions. One can not drive any car without using the vehicle interface on an almost constant basis, including the Tesla. Since the Tesla only has a touchscreen for interfacing with the vast majority of the vehicle's functions, you are therefore using it constantly - that is my argument. But maybe you use cars differently than myself and those I've surveyed, e.g. music browsing, imperfect automated climate control settings, navigation, insane/ludicrous mode, apps, etc.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by whenchamenia »

herewego wrote: post #537
DangerousPie wrote: post #503

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And what if you share your car with someone who prefers different settings?

Like in any modern analog car, the knobs are free spinning and therefore remember their settings. It’s a tactile version of tapping a screen that is a better UX IMHO. When my significant other uses my car, they hit #2 on the preset settings and everything slides and turns into place. This is a well solved problem and has been for many years. Note: I am a former P85D Model S owner.

Free spinning knobs are not analog, but digital encoders.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by tinus_hn »

benj111 wrote: post #458
xedeon wrote: post #455

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Ahhh backpedaling now are we? The topic was about A/C control... Hence that's the specific video proof I provided. > It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it. reply I don't have to look to use the scroll wheel controls too. Did you not see on the video that they are physical buttons? What's your point exactly?

Why am I backpedalling? The conversation is allowed to evolve, you're the one who raised the point about the changing UI. "I don't have to look to use the scroll wheel controls too" No you have to look at the screen, while you're trying to find the thing that was right there before the update.

> The conversation is allowed to evolve

Sure, whine on

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by moduspol »

herewego wrote: post #565
moduspol wrote: post #551

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Nearly every setting you'd use while driving is also on the steering wheel. Your claim was this: > You can not drive a Tesla without using the touchscreen on an almost constant basis. This is patently false, but I can't prove a negative. I drive the car every day without touching the screen, let alone on any constant basis, but I guess maybe you know better.

I think you are making false assumptions. One can not drive any car without using the vehicle interface on an almost constant basis, including the Tesla. Since the Tesla only has a touchscreen for interfacing with the vast majority of the vehicle's functions, you are therefore using it constantly - that is my argument. But maybe you use cars differently than myself and those I've surveyed, e.g. music browsing, imperf…

> the Tesla only has a touchscreen for interfacing with the vast majority of the vehicle's functions

False. There are voice controls, buttons on the steering wheel, the steering wheel itself, pedals, pedestals (for turn signals like other cars), etc. Even autopilot's functionality doesn't require the screen (or touching it).

> music browsing, imperfect automated climate control settings, navigation, insane/ludicrous mode, apps, etc.

None of these things are required to drive the car, and music browsing is controlled by knobs on the steering wheel.

Respectfully there's no way to respond meaningfully when these statements are made in bad faith. You can't walk back your initial claim to "many non-critical non-driving features require using the touchscreen."

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kerkeslager »

DangerousPie wrote: post #503
jmchuster wrote: post #480

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i have an analog vehicle, and the car doesn't need to have to remember my settings because they are physically in the same location.

And what if you share your car with someone who prefers different settings?

Spending 5 seconds changing the 3 settings that matter occasionally isn't a problem I care about.

Not being able to fix my own car because you've used space age technology to solve turning a dial IS a problem I care about.

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