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Re: The new Dropbox

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post #535

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I have always been intrigued by your service, and will probably try it at some point for a smallish setup for important data, but whenever I think of backups in the TB range, it gets way out of budget (even after accounting for borg or other discounts). Do you have any plans to compete on pricing with other popular cloud/storage providers? I understand that this is a different product for a different audience.

"Do you have any plans to compete on pricing with other popular cloud/storage providers?" We try to keep out pricing very roughly inline with Amazon S3. If you know to look for the discount signup rates it should be very slightly cheaper than S3. We can't promise customers support from real UNIX engineers and also match B2 pricing. I'm happy with that and plan to continue on that path ... We would be very happy to ha…

> If you know to look for the discount signup rates it should be very slightly cheaper than S3.

I'm interested. Do you mean the special borg account or should I look more? Thanks!

Re: The new Dropbox

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Just use iCloud. I switched a few years ago. It works really well. Unless you are using Dropbox with a team or a corporate environment, iCloud is better. I use a combo of iCloud (love the desktop syncing between my machines btw), and Google File Stream for team documents.

Really limited on features no? No smart sync, revisions, or easy link sharing.

If you're on Mac, smart sync is available, it's native.

Re: The new Dropbox

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post #547

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"I wonder if it has improved since." Unison is very interesting and it is, indeed, very special in that it solves the very specific use-case of my parent post. However, my own opinion, and that of just about everyone who cares about backup tools is that 'borg' is the "one true way": https://www.stavros.io/posts/holy-grail-backups/

What about restic? https://restic.net/

Yes, we support restic. I don't have anything interesting to say about borg vs. restic ...

Re: The new Dropbox

#564

Looks like Zawinski's Law is still 100% true: “Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.” Coined by Jamie Zawinski (who called it the “Law of Software Envelopment”) to express his belief that all truly useful programs experience pressure to evolve into toolkits and application platforms (the mailer thing, he says, is just a side effe…

Back around 2000 programs were instead expanding until they were able to burn CDs. And apps a few years ago - until they included Snapchat-like stories.

Re: The new Dropbox

#565
post #541

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"Please wait: backing up /dev/urandom - 0% of NaN" (To be fair, anyone who tries to backup /dev deserves whatever they get...)

$ echo /dev/urandom | cpio -o | xxd -a 1 block 00000000: 3037 3037 3037 3737 3737 3737 3030 3030 0707077777770000 00000010: 3031 3032 3036 3636 3030 3030 3030 3030 0102066600000000 00000020: 3030 3030 3030 3030 3031 3737 3737 3737 0000000001777777 00000030: 3133 3436 3430 3530 3035 3730 3030 3031 1346405005700001 00000040: 3530 3030 3030 3030 3030 3030 2f64 6576 500000000000/dev 00000050: 2f75 7261 6e64 6f6d 0030 373…

How does this work? Looks like a bug in xxd for me (o.O)

Re: The new Dropbox

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post #543

I'm surprised how few people here have talked about OneDrive. It used to be rubbish, but Microsoft has finally really figured it out. My company basically has everybody just do all of their work out of their OneDrive accounts, syncing hundreds of GB per user without fuss. The integration with their web office apps is pretty flawless, and I've worked with groups of 20 or 30 people on large projects in sharepoint and w…

Does OneDrive encrypt data for personal users? Last I saw they only encrypted business accounts.

Re: The new Dropbox

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You should not consider Dropbox a file storage and sync provider, anymore. Dropbox (and almost all other big established storage/sync providers) moved to a new territory (market) called Content Collaboration Platform. This contains applications which provide comprehensive capabilities that support use cases from productivity and collaboration to content protection and infrastructure modernization. As some of you already mentioned, there are several reasons for it:

1. File storage and syncing is commodity. It is quite easy (compared to what was 5-10-15 years ago) to create a sharing & syncing capability software. Also, there are AWS/Azure as infrastructure so no one needs to handle this part of the business.

2. These big providers move to small-medium business and enterprise sector from personal users. It easy to understand, an enterprise contract with 5000+ users a year is much more profitable than acquiring loads of personal users who do not want to pay at all most of the times.

3. Lastly, big companies want to buy an integrated solution, which handles not just one thing well™, but contains extended functionality and support external providers. In Dropbox's case its file commenting, Zoom & Slack integration, etc.

Source: I work at an end-to-end Encrypted cloud storage and sync company as an analyst, reading market research and analyzing companies like Dropbox 9to5.

Re: The new Dropbox

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post #195

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if that's important to me I get Google drive - the integration will be better because the same company makes the different tools and you can actually stay within the eco-system. If Dropbox are planning to compete with this it's very difficult to see how they win over Google I agree with you completely, Google should have squashed Dropbox like a tiny, helpless bug that it is in comparison. Yet reality disagrees and th…

> Google can't even deliver a proper client for Google Drive on Linux which is a system many Googlers use. It all remains a mystery to me. Despite it being promised at the launch of Google Drive, several years ago. I finally moved off of Drive to nextCloud as a result.

If you can use nextCloud at all, as a substitute for Google Drive, then Drive isn't the product you wanted in the first place.

The strength of Google Drive is in the collaborative document editing. Not the "drive" aspect of it.

Today anyway. It didn't start out like that.

As a sort of global filesystem, it fails miserably IMHO and always did. Even if it were available on Linux, I wouldn't use it for that purpose.

Re: The new Dropbox

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post #565
post #541

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$ echo /dev/urandom | cpio -o | xxd -a 1 block 00000000: 3037 3037 3037 3737 3737 3737 3030 3030 0707077777770000 00000010: 3031 3032 3036 3636 3030 3030 3030 3030 0102066600000000 00000020: 3030 3030 3030 3030 3031 3737 3737 3737 0000000001777777 00000030: 3133 3436 3430 3530 3035 3730 3030 3031 1346405005700001 00000040: 3530 3030 3030 3030 3030 3030 2f64 6576 500000000000/dev 00000050: 2f75 7261 6e64 6f6d 0030 373…

How does this work? Looks like a bug in xxd for me (o.O)

Nope xxd is fine, read the man page.

  $ PAGER='col -bx' man 5 cpio | awk '$1 == "mode" { print; while (getline) print }' | head
  mode    The mode specifies both the regular permissions and the file
          type.  It consists of several bit fields as follows:
          0170000  This masks the file type bits.
          0140000  File type value for sockets.
          0120000  File type value for symbolic links.  For symbolic links,
                   the link body is stored as file data.
          0100000  File type value for regular files.
          0060000  File type value for block special devices.
          0040000  File type value for directories.
          0020000  File type value for character special devices.
  $ echo /dev/urandom | cpio -o | dd bs=6 skip=3 count=1 | od -tc
  1 block
  1+0 records in
  1+0 records out
  6 bytes transferred in 0.000025 secs (239675 bytes/sec)
  0000000    0   2   0   6   6   6                                        
  0000006

Re: The new Dropbox

#570
post #462

Dropbox is constantly getting worse for personal usage. They recently bumped up the prices about $10+ a year. As a photo storage, it fails heavily as well. They turned down the Carousel app which made it super easy to browse photos over time. Google Photos easily dominates this space with the search features. Right now the Photos experience on Dropbox lacks the most basic features and I'm planning to stop renewing my…

And what are you planning to do with photos? Are you aware of any mobile app of Google Photos caliber that can just point to a S3 bucket?
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