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U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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Post by arminiusreturns »

martin_a wrote: post #404
Slartie wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even more annoying is the same thing that they do with email notifications. They seem to keep inventing new "categories" of notifications all the time that I haven't yet opted out of - basically because I seem to be only able to opt out of just that specific category that they just sent me an email about, when I click on the "don't want to receive any more of these mails" link below the message. And every time, they…

I have a seperate facebook@ mail address and I simply never check it. Did so before switching hosters last year and saw that about 8k mails had piled up since 2011. Crazy folks.

This is also how I do it and one of the reasons I encourage people to own their own domain and email (among other reasons). I have used dreamhost since 2007 but I am really not happy about their recent move to a non-foss webmail. (to atmail from squirrel) Besides that though they are pretty awesome.

So any service that feels slightly abusive gets its own email like that, and then ignored usually.

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Post by omosubi »

pjc50 wrote: post #558
chrisweekly wrote: post #496

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Too bad Google Inbox has only a couple weeks left till it's retired. :(

This sounds like a stupid question, but it's a consequence of Google using a ridiculous product name: how do I tell if I'm using Inbox?

Inbox.google.com - they also have separate apps

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Post by JohnFen »

tjoff wrote: post #372
JohnFen wrote: post #176

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> I think the discussion on privacy and ad based platforms should really be orthogonal. Except that those two things are inseparable. The privacy problems are a direct result of the desire of the advertising industry to be able to target people based on their behavior, which necessitates spying on everyone. If we could somehow eliminate that targeting, then we could discuss the two as separate topics.

They really aren't though. It's just that that is the stance the big players have. And the reason they have that stance might be because it is the only stance that can motivate their existence. You can still target content rather than users.

> You can still target content rather than users.

Indeed you can. By "inseparable", I don't mean technically inseparable, I mean that the advertising industry has decided that personally targeted ads are the only sort of value. That means that, unless there is some sort of sea change in the industry, the two things are inseparable in practice.

If I see an ad, I can safely assume that it comes with spying. I'll be right far, far more often than I'll be wrong.

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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Post by tmaly »

socrates1998 wrote: post #27

Anecdotally, I work with teenagers and none of them have a Facebook pages. It's viewed as a place for old people and parents. For me personally, it's almost impossible to deal with. Way too many political posts from my friends and family. It's probably best use for me is local events and an occasional major event from a friend/family member. Still, I find myself going there less and less. From a small business standp…

for me, I personally check it less and less due to political posts.

I do have a few really great closed groups on there. Groups filled with people helping each other out. These are where I still find value on the platform.

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Post by pjc50 »

omosubi wrote: post #562
pjc50 wrote: post #558

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This sounds like a stupid question, but it's a consequence of Google using a ridiculous product name: how do I tell if I'm using Inbox?

Inbox.google.com - they also have separate apps

Right. In that case I'm not and never have been using Inbox, but I still got the separated lowercase-i-inbox from https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox

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Post by thorwasdfasdf »

Hacker news peeps seem to not like FB, giving an impression of a dieing service. But, look at the revenue: "Facebook reported revenue growth of nearly 32 percent in the U.S. and Canada compared to last year, bringing in $8.43 billion in its fourth quarter 2018 compared to $6.39 billion during the same period in 2017."

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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Post by danschumann »

danschumann wrote: post #528

I think their AI is programmed to keep people on the site and therefore they leave bugs in like: When you scroll down and a video pops out, you're suddenly at the top When you like a message in chat, on desktop, you have to hover a few times until it shows up. These are bugs, but they keep you using the site longer.. I just leave when they do that.

Oooh wait, a new one! Every time I go to the site, it says I have 1 unread message, but it goes away when I open messages. This keeps me on the site long enough to look at my messages and click "mark all as unread" again.

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Post by _cs2017_ »

anticensor wrote: post #552
usrusr wrote: post #401

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Using the data to personalize ads elsewhere? Does Facebook operate a conventional ad network out on the web? (I could not name it, but I assume they do)

Instagram/FB data crossfeeding.

That means IG will lose its value as people stop spending time on FB. So it would have to develop some independent way to monetize its users.

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Post by cr0sh »

sinatra wrote: post #396
ashishb wrote: post #376

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Exactly. Asking someone "do you want to have more savings?" is meaningless. Everyone will say yes. The right question to ask is "will you cook at home to save $10000 a year?"

And even out of the majority of people who will say, “yes, they’ll cook at home to save $10K,” only a small percent of those will actually do so.

> only a small percent of those will actually do so.

Even then, it won't save them the money. Like anything else, if you want to save the money - you have to move it out of your regularly accessed account, and put it somewhere else, ideally an account you can't withdraw as easily from.

So - when you cook for your family to save the money - you need to then (immediately) move the money you would normally spend for dinner (perhaps minus the amount for ingredients, time, and power - if you feel it necessary) over to that other account.

But most people never do that, I'd wager.

Instead, that extra money stays in their primary account, which they then likely spend on something else. So their savings continue to be zero (or likely less), and they continue to wonder where their money goes...

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Post by reading-at-work »

peteretep wrote: post #334

By far the biggest factor that had me stopping checking Facebook, and indeed LinkedIn, is number of utterly fictitious notifications they generate. There was a time a few years back when that red dot made me drop everything to check FB, but these days it’ll be some completely bullshit message they’ve made a notification out of. Feels like they got greedy for my attention and killed the golden goose there. I check it…

I logged in for the first time in a few weeks recently. Out of 50+ notifications, literally only 1 was something I cared about seeing. I wish I were exaggerating.
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