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Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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>tell data scientist their poll is flawed because it only includes "transgender" instead of "transgender female" and that makes them transphobic. >data scientist is upset and tells management. >management tells you to stop being a jerk. >proceed to be toxic in all your PRs and on Slack. >management tells you to stop being a jerk. >they put you under review. >start getting emotional and say you have emotional trauma.…

I don't know, it sounded like improving GH's diversity/inclusivity was exactly the reason she was hired and so that must have seemed like an obvious place where she could contribute. And she didn't call the data scientist transphobic or made any personal remarks, she just corrected her. I'm not saying I agree with everything she did, but based on that incident I'd say the data scientist was the one who handled it poo…

we don't know the exact phrasing, but considering she "called the data scientist out on her transphobic survey" does imply she indirectly insulted the data scientist

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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In a world where i know nurses often perform doctors dutys and jobs, while new doctors stumble around clueless. Knowledge on adjunct fields and skills can accumulate in a person over time, thus allowing them to perform similar feets. Like, a bright pupil might learn from a master, if it is not intended. It has happend- since medieval times- apprenticeships, although a attack on caste-think can happen today. Yes, they…

Nurses are totally random dudes from the street.

And doctors are no longer, by virtue of having spend a long time in a building with lots of drinking buddys https://www.aamc.org/download/102346/data/aibvol7no2.pdf

If it had a drop-out quota similar to comp sci or math, i might actually consider your elitism a valid opinion. Post all the meritocracy nonsense you need to post, but deep down you know, if you had the money and a mediocre kid- you would help him through and put additional money hoops up behind him to jump through.

The irony, that all the others doing the same thing, have you lay on a metal table, beeing cut open by maybee not the best person for the job, it never reaches escape velocity.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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The impression I have after reading your comments is that you're a gobshite.

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[flagged] means users flagged it. Since a lot of people are disagreeing about that and we always try to take guidance from the community, I've turned the flags off on this submission and reduced the software penalty formerly known as the flamewar detector. But FWIW this goes against my better judgment—this thread isn't as civil or substantive as several of the recent ones on related issues have been (I mean in relati…

It mightn't be as substantive or civil, but I've learned more from this HN thread than most. Reading some of the comments here confirmed for me that this woman is on to something. People are claiming that there's more to the story, or that she must be a bitch/bad at social interactions (with no evidence worth mentioning and despite a respectful and genuinely empathetic writing style). In fairness to GitHub, there may…

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It's true. I was so shocked when they actually banned a Holocaust denier; he was so unfailingly polite i was sure they never would.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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> "What is your gender?" The multiple-choice options were "Male", "Female", and "Transgender" I have low expectations for tech companies understanding these kind of issues, but to separate _transgender_ as an option completely misses the point of what "transgender" actually means.

My dictionary's definition: transgender: adjective denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender. Though I agree that it clearly isn't a gender, it does seem like a sensible option to be included in a survey when asking about gender. Maybe they should have kept the options but rephrased the question? Edit: On second thought, I get…

That... is not the definition of transgender. I'm glad to see your edit.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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If you're ever put on a PIP, get out -- it's a sign someone in the company doesn't want you there. I've never heard of a PIP working out and both the company and employee being happy -- maybe you only hear about the bad cases, but a PIP often seems to me like a cover your ass plan on the part of the company. They want to get rid of a person, but they're afraid of getting sued, so a PIP is a way to document why a pers…

This. I've been "in the loop" on several people getting PIPs. Two were 100% a pretext for firing. One of those two was fired less than a week after going on the PIP, despite it being a six week plan. I thought that was especially shitty as it didn't give the person sufficient time to line up other work.

The third instance was "we wanna fire this person but if we see improvement then they can stay". This person stayed for almost a year.

In all cases the PIP was to create a paper trail to support an argument of firing for legal cause in a potential lawsuit.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Meritocracy is actually a very damaging thing, the way we tend to implement it in tech. Without concrete and public metrics of "merit", it becomes a buzzword for reinforcing the biases (conscious or not) of the evaluators. Particularly in tech, those biases tend to favor white, upper middle class, males. This kind of bias is demonstrated over and over in studies, even (and in some cases, especially) among people who…

>Meritocracy is actually a very damaging thing I got a new computer. Where news.ycombinator.com hasn't been set to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts yet. So I wanted to check what changed in the last year or so... And your post reminded me why I stopped visiting here. Thanks.

Yet you took the time out of your day to even login and leave us with your wisdom. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for this invaluable contribution.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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I believe the book you're referring to is called _Corporate Confidential_. People think I'm cynical when I talk about that book, but I've seen the scenarios you mention play out word for word multiple times.

Corporate confidential is fantastic. Everyone employed should read it. It's not about cynicism, it's about understanding the typical incentives and expectations driving the operations of a function affecting everyone in a typicsl large corp. I think the legal environment in US ups the ante thus incentivizing for wily maneuvers.

I wanted to follow up on this though I don't know if anyone will hear it.

This past week, our small team had brought in an executive coach that works with the material from Crucial Conversations. A wiki summary was circulated around. When I read it, I knew it applied to what was going on with our team as well as personal relationships.

Crucial conversations are moments when opinions vary, the stakes are high, and emotions run strong. Being able to have crucial conversations and handle them well allows someone to be effective, influential, and helps out the team and community tremendously. The follow-on book is called Crucial Accountability, which teaches how to deal with people who breaks promises and violates expectations.

So I stand by what I said about the cynical view of "Corporate Confidential". The thesis of "corporate confidential" is that corporaions want to fire someone using legal means because the real reasons is not legal. it might sound like a case of corporate greed and that is true to some extent. In addition, I think people are -not- having those crucial conversations. It is easier to plot a way to ease someone out than to have the crucial conversation about what is really going on.

Taking that frame with Coraline's story: if seems to me neither Corolaine, nor the github manager was able to have crucial conversations. In some ways, Coraline admitted to it in her blog post.

I also wonder if Github's earlier trouble -- what with the controversies, were also a series of crucial conversations that wete not held, or they were handled badly. They tried to fix it by hiring activists, but then, the crucial conversations and the shared meaning that includes social justice did not get discussed.

Finally: I think perhaps Coraline might benefit from skills in crucial conversations, as far as her activism goals.

I have sone friends for whom SJW rubs them the wrong way -- because it adds fuel to the fire and increases conflict. (Ironic, being that most of my friends who feel this way are committed martial artists and explore violence with each other). While crucial conversations is not a pancea, there are often some deep meaning held by both social activists and social conservatives.

I have always felt that Code of Conducts as imperfect substitutes for what we really want. I think people (generally speaking), deep down, want to speak their truths while getting along, even when disagreeing, when stakes are high, and emotions run strong.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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> Without concrete and public metrics of "merit", it becomes a buzzword for reinforcing the biases (conscious or not) of the evaluators. I wish we could have discussions like this in the wider community without people going knee-jerk against the idea of it, itself. I'd be willing to accept that a lot of companies here are nepotistic. I'd even be willing to accept that they cloak their nepotism in the rhetoric of meri…

> Don't you want the best people, at least in principle? Maybe not. In many situations you want the best team, and the best team is not necessarily the team that has the most top flight individual contributors. The best teams I've been on seem stronger than the sum of their individual members, and I've definitely been on teams I rate less highly that had some very strong individual contributors. Along these lines, I…

A bombshell last week was that an influential study didnt replicate:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122417714422...

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