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Time to Take a Stand

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Post by CalChris »

concinds wrote: post #506
CalChris wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adults usually tell five year olds I told you so after having already told them. Republican voters had many choices in their primary. Cruz, Carson, Christie, Huckabee, ... were just as bad. So your variety of reasons isn't very convincing. At a certain point, you have to take responsibility for your vote. Hand waving it away with a variety of reasons isn't fooling anyone.

> you have to take responsibility for your vote You're not advocating "responsibility". You're saying Trump supporters are morally defective, and when they refuse that label, you say: "see! not only are you morally flawed, but you won't even admit it! proves my point!" Is it hard to understand that Trump supporters vote for what they think is morally just and right, just like you, and not for evil, because they're ev…

Actually, I am advocating responsibility. That's why I used that word when I called out his hand waving with a variety of reasons. Moreover, when you say what they think is morally just and right it's pretty much the same.

At a certain point, you have to accept responsibility. Trump is your guy and he is doing your work.

I suppose you need to understand that y'all went way over the line with Trump and that we're not going to be nice about it.

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Post by baytrailcat »

Animats wrote: post #504

Things companies in tech can do: - Demand to see the detailed plan for TrumpCare. What's it going to cost us? What will it do to our employees? Where are the details? That's what lobbyists are paid to find out. Employers have a big stake in this. - Demand to see the tariff plan. So far, it's all talk, but soon it will be legislation. This has huge impacts for many businesses. Business planning and investment will sta…

I think this is a Chess vs Checkers issue. It doesn't matter if you lay out a plan based on reason if the other side is playing a different game altogether.

Check out this simple strategy from the Republican playbook. They pour money into State elections (through Super PACs) during a census year and take control over legislature and the redistricting process and execute a horrendous gerrymandering which drives urban areas out of voting power. This leads them to hold on to a majority in the House at national level which forms the bedrock of their agenda execution at national level.

When have you seen Democrats executing such long-term ruthless strategy?

There is nothing stopping from Tech Billionaires doing the exact same thing Koch brothers did for the past 15 years.

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Post by jonstewart »

grzm wrote: post #408
jonstewart wrote: post #370

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Indeed, a lot of words from pg and sama, and no observable actions.

If this is a high priority for you, have you personally dissociated yourself from people who hold views similar to Thiel's? Friends? Family? Coworkers? Employees? Employers? Business partners? Customers? Sam Altman and Paul Graham have spoken out. Sam has also posted specifically about Thiel ( http://blog.samaltman.com/the-2016-election ). They've donated to campaigns. They've likely done other things as well. If thi…

Yes, I have. As luck would have it, I also ran for a non-partisan local public office for my neighborhood in Washington, DC, and won. I have about a gnat's worth of power, but I'm trying to use it as best I can... and I don't have representation in Congress.

What are you doing?

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Post by obstacle1 »

msoad wrote: post #217
general_ai wrote: post #100

First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…

> military age males What that even means? A 30 years old PhD student researching quantum computing was barred from entering the U.S. You broad brush painted him too.

A 30 year old male is a military-age male, PhD or not.

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Post by ivraatiems »

lefstathiou wrote: post #502
zeteo wrote: post #169

>1. Call 2. Participate 3. Share 4. Vote This is the same kind of bullshit that's lost Hillary the election and got us here in the first place. It might have worked in the '90s to get a gold medal for Rosa Parks. It will not work in 2017 to make Trump back off his core message. The problem here is not that your side isn't loud enough and can't get political attention for an issue. The problem is that the opposing sid…

For many Americans Sam Altman and Madonna are unrelatable so the messaging falls on deaf ears (or is potentially even counter productive). Nobody believes Google or YC is hiring refugees, or that Sam Altman and others are sending their kids to public schools attended by refugees, or living in low to middle income neighborhoods housing refugees and having to manage the increased violence that ensues. All well and good…

Would you say Donald Trump, himself a billionaire celebrity, is someone Middle America can relate to? Why or why not?

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Post by dragonwriter »

tlogan wrote: post #477
mythrwy wrote: post #313

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"Trump is a bad person, and the people who voted for him are bad people" I voted for Trump. I support many (not all) of his policies. I don't appreciate being called a bad person. Certainly you have a right to think this but I disagree. I won't go into what I think of people who voted for Hillary because I try not be mindlessly nasty but I don't think they are all "bad people".

I think that a person who supports or condones persecution based solely on ethnic and religious background is a bad person. Or a person who support a leader which does these things. But that is my opinion. There are even CEOs and very successful people who are bad people. Even Hitler was Man of the Year in 1938... And Henry Ford loved him. So just be aware that you are seen as a bad person by certain members of US po…

> Even Hitler was Man of the Year in 1938

Time's man of the year is about influence, not endorsement.

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Post by [deleted] »

tlogan wrote: post #477
mythrwy wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Trump is a bad person, and the people who voted for him are bad people" I voted for Trump. I support many (not all) of his policies. I don't appreciate being called a bad person. Certainly you have a right to think this but I disagree. I won't go into what I think of people who voted for Hillary because I try not be mindlessly nasty but I don't think they are all "bad people".

I think that a person who supports or condones persecution based solely on ethnic and religious background is a bad person. Or a person who support a leader which does these things. But that is my opinion. There are even CEOs and very successful people who are bad people. Even Hitler was Man of the Year in 1938... And Henry Ford loved him. So just be aware that you are seen as a bad person by certain members of US po…

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Post by rdtsc »

RangerScience wrote: post #473
rdtsc wrote: post #427

Shouldn't we have been taking a stand against Obama who destabilized the region, was dropping bombs there and arming the "rebels" who had a revolving door relationship with ISIS and other such groups there. Refugees didn't come from a vacuum and it wasn't some natural disaster. They started streaming in because the West including US has been meddling and destabilizing that part of the world. Unfortunately it seems pr…

Hoswabout profiling on "radical" rather than "muslim"? You'd also catch many mass shooters, who (AFAIK) tend to still be radical, but usually aren't muslim. > letting them in unchecked seem irresponsible Why do you think they were being let in unchecked? Betcha TENBUX there's plenty of checks.

> Hoswabout profiling on "radical" rather than "muslim"?

You're right probably it should be based on "radicals". From those countries "radicals" would probably be "muslim radicals". From US it would probably be KKK-type militia like the ones from Oregon.

I am not even sure how they would check mulsim vs christian. Wouldn't muslims just say "nope, totally not a muslim, I got to church every Sunday" and they name some church address they memorized?

Then the whole "extreme vetting bit". How would they check? Does US have access to such detailed and exact intelligence about individuals from Yemen to know who did what when there?

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Post by dwaltrip »

leesalminen wrote: post #152
pfarnsworth wrote: post #26

I am affected personally by this. I have extended family members from Indonesia and Malaysia in the US who are still on Green Card. Although those countries aren't affected by the ban, who knows when Trump will decide to change his mind at his whim. But the time for talk has passed. I don't think very much is going to happen because Trump is empowered by his election victory, and he won't listen to anyone. Has he eve…

> I am affected personally by this. > Although those countries aren't affected by the ban... So, you have not yet been personally affected? That's like saying German citizens have been personally affected by this action.

Compared to the post above, a German citizen has an incredibly smaller chance of being affected by any of Trump's future follow-up actions similar to the executive order that was just issued, so your comparison is invalid.

If one has to come up with new contingencies based on radical shifts in the likelihood of extreme events, then of course they are directly affected.

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Post by briholt »

bassman9000 wrote: post #471
cjslep wrote: post #387

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- A ban is not needed while revising the rules. - Revision doesn't mean suspension of the ban. - Temporary can mean indefinitely. - The overwhelming number of terrorists that commit acts of terrorism on American soil come from people born in the United States of America.

Holy shit, no one has actually read the text. Why do I bother. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/refugee-musli... > (c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards…

> there's a disproportion of immigrant attackers vs the total US population

There is a willful ignorance of this among some political groups here. Attack after attack, they refuse to acknowledge the problem and thus refuse to entertain basic preventative measures. We restricted Nazi immigration, we restricted communist immigration, and we should certainly restrict Muslim extremist immigration. There is difficulty in separating extremists from moderates (who are a welcome addition to our country), but in order to create a proper vetting process, we first need to recognize the problem and the need for a solution.

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