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Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by rspeer »

shortstuffsushi wrote: post #468
pram wrote: post #424

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HipChat (unless you concede it was always bad)

What about HipChat don't you like? I know it can be buggy at times, but from a strictly functional perspective, I feel like it's ok, or at least sufficient for me.

"Barely sufficient to stop people from switching to Slack" seems to be Atlassian's target.

Atlassian abandoned HipChat's bug tracker, and put up a fresh JIRA that they discourage you from using at several steps. That's one way to get the bug count down without fixing any bugs.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by xiaoma »

throwawaymaroon wrote: post #441
inglor wrote: post #432

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I think WhatsApp and Waze are both pretty good examples of high profile acquisitions that played out this way. I also feel like (and I realize many disagree) that YouTube largely kept its "feel" and didn't turn into Google Videos 2.0. Of course there are plenty of examples of exactly what you describe. I feel the same way about Java, Hudson (lol) and plenty of other acquisitions.

That's a terrible example. Remember Google+ accounts and Youtube?

I still haven't gotten any assistance from Google after losing my YouTube account when my f#@!ing plus account (which I didn't even want) spawned another account from the gmail address I'd signed up before Google bought them.

Plus was the real turning point where I went from loving Google to tolerating them.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by hobarrera »

cyberferret wrote: post #497
iambateman wrote: post #420

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I'm not sure about acquisitions, but compared to github, jira and bitbucket are poor. I tried to figure out what confluence even does and I'm still not sure. Considering I'm forced into the atlassian ecosystem at work, this is my plea for y'all to improve.

I infinitely prefer BitBucket to GitHub. I guess GitHub is great if you are working on public or open source projects, but BitBucket seems to be much better at handling internal (private) projects to me. Their lack of popularity also seems to translate to a lower attack profile, so I feel that my private projects are safer on BB than GH. I've evaluated many issue trackers too, and none of them seem to come close to J…

You might want to look at GitLab, which basically has the best of every other world, with sparkles.

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Post by quanticle »

hNz wrote: post #443
inglor wrote: post #432

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I think WhatsApp and Waze are both pretty good examples of high profile acquisitions that played out this way. I also feel like (and I realize many disagree) that YouTube largely kept its "feel" and didn't turn into Google Videos 2.0. Of course there are plenty of examples of exactly what you describe. I feel the same way about Java, Hudson (lol) and plenty of other acquisitions.

As much as you feel the same about Java and Hudson... what about Virtual Box. All of them are Oracle now and Virtual Box is pretty good?

All of them are Oracle now and Virtual Box is pretty good?

It really isn't. VirtualBox was always mediocre compared to VMWare, and ever since the Oracle acquisition, I haven't heard of any major new features or performance improvements coming out of the VirtualBox team. Though, given what Oracle has done to its other acquisitions, benign neglect is a pretty good outcome.

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Post by madeofpalk »

pram wrote: post #424
iamaelephant wrote: post #409

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Which products do you think Atlassian messed up after acquisition? Disclaimer I'm an Atlassian employee, but just curious.

HipChat (unless you concede it was always bad)

It didn't 'mess' HipChat up, it just never improved it and adopted to a marketplace that has Slack in it.

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Post by csmajorfive »

inglor wrote: post #432
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #390

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To be fair I've been a part of 3 acquisitions and have seen this story play out tens of times with beloved software. It always starts out this way. "The original folks are going to run it, not the new company!" "Things will stay the same" yadda yadda yadda. 1-3 years down the road, it'll be a different story. It'll be unlikely that the executive team will stick around past whatever agreement they signed with Atlassia…

I think WhatsApp and Waze are both pretty good examples of high profile acquisitions that played out this way. I also feel like (and I realize many disagree) that YouTube largely kept its "feel" and didn't turn into Google Videos 2.0. Of course there are plenty of examples of exactly what you describe. I feel the same way about Java, Hudson (lol) and plenty of other acquisitions.

It just really depends on whether the scale/revenue of the acquired is immediately and clearly accretive to the acquirer. WhatsApp and Waze were pretty far along that path (and their prices reflected it!). Younger companies are more vulnerable.

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Post by flukus »

allover wrote: post #514
tiglionabbit wrote: post #397

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Nearly every company I've worked for eventually brings in the Atlassian bullshit despite my protest. It usually begins with hiring some project manager who likes Atlassian and forces the hire of an Atlassian shill to configure Atlassian products full time, but it never becomes any good. They pry us off our existing issue tracker and wiki (github, trac) and force us to use that awful content-editable-based wiki that d…

This probably doesn't need saying, but seems you work in toxic teams. Your first paragraph suggests a ton of blame is being thrown about. If you work at a company like that, get out. (That of course, or you suck at empathy for your managers, and you're the problem). The place I work at, Jira is used pretty reasonably. Our devs, in 2 different teams have setup the workflows to show our progress and deployment flow in…

> If you work at a company like that, get out.

IME, this is most teams. If you get out you are likely moving into another team that's much the same.

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Post by pkaeding »

shortstuffsushi wrote: post #554
eloisant wrote: post #494

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To be fair, Atlassian acquired BitBucket a few years ago and I didn't see them butcher it or merge it with Stash. On the contrary, it went in a good direction under Atlassian ownership.

They did merge it with Stash, though, didn't they?

More accurately, they merged Stash with Bitbucket (Stash is now called 'Bitbucket Server').

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Post by quanticle »

jlarocco wrote: post #414
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #390

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To be fair I've been a part of 3 acquisitions and have seen this story play out tens of times with beloved software. It always starts out this way. "The original folks are going to run it, not the new company!" "Things will stay the same" yadda yadda yadda. 1-3 years down the road, it'll be a different story. It'll be unlikely that the executive team will stick around past whatever agreement they signed with Atlassia…

Exactly. No acquisition ever starts off with, "We're going to change a bunch of stuff as we assimilate this new company." It's not hard to find "______ is being acquired by ________" headlines on HN, where everybody involved promises not to change anything, and then find the corresponding shutdown post on https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/ sometime a few months later. Unfortunately, even if Jira were really ser…

    Exactly. No acquisition ever starts off with, "We're going to change a bunch
    of stuff as we assimilate this new company."
What about FitBit's acquisition of Pebble? Fitbit was pretty clear that they were going to shut down pretty much everything that Pebble was doing, and fold the Pebble team into FitBit. More generally, don't pretty much all acqui-hires work this way?

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by jsjohnst »

mhp wrote: post #366
deepuj wrote: post #322

This is depressing. Trello is a beloved software for a lot of people. It's sad that Trello decided to sell off to Atlassian. I can't believe the same company that makes Jira is going to run Trello. SourceTree is the only software that they make that doesn't suck.

The Trellists made Trello. And the Trellists are going to keep working on Trello at Atlassian. Atlassian understands that Trello is unique and beloved and they definitely do not want to mess that up. Read this article that Jordan Novet wrote. I know seeing is believing and you will have to wait and see, but I agree with everything Jay Simons says in this interview. "During the interview, Simons took time to assure me…

David Karp (as just one example) said virtually the exact same thing re: Yahoo! acquisition.

Don't be that guy and spin a Jobs-esque reality distortion field.

If things were so perfect to begin with at Trello, you wouldn't be selling. The fact that you did indicates something needed changing.

You hope things won't change for the worse, as do your users, but assuring people that won't happen makes about as much since as guaranteeing you have the winning ticket for next week's lottery.

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