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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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"Lots of individuals who Trump "owes" through either money or support they provided to him; pure cronyism." Trump is the most 'free' President in modern history. He 'owes' the least, to the fewest people. This is one thing even the center-left press were talking about. As for Thiel - $1M might seem like a lot - but Trump doesn't really 'owe' Thiel anything, because Thiel doesn't have direct future influence etc., and…

This is some kind of creepy Randian thinking. The idea that playing developer-type leverage games make you "free" is a laughable fiction. Trump always called himself the King of Debt, and he owes many people, bigly. The banks were betting on Hillary because familiarity breeds contempt--they had already lost billions lending to him since the 80s. Just like the Trump Foundation, he hasn't put anything except his gold-p…

Isn't the first rule of a startup "Don't invest your own money when someone else is willing to invest theirs?"

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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This was obvious from the RNC speech and further reinforced when Thiel donated $1M to Trump. A contrarian bet, sure, but $1M is a pretty small price to pay to have a 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA. I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. I had very negative feelings about Thiel, and those were magnified…

> 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA.

To be honest, I've always had the feeling that it was more like 10% - 90%.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Lots of individuals who Trump "owes" through either money or support they provided to him; pure cronyism." Trump is the most 'free' President in modern history. He 'owes' the least, to the fewest people. This is one thing even the center-left press were talking about. As for Thiel - $1M might seem like a lot - but Trump doesn't really 'owe' Thiel anything, because Thiel doesn't have direct future influence etc., and…

This is some kind of creepy Randian thinking. The idea that playing developer-type leverage games make you "free" is a laughable fiction. Trump always called himself the King of Debt, and he owes many people, bigly. The banks were betting on Hillary because familiarity breeds contempt--they had already lost billions lending to him since the 80s. Just like the Trump Foundation, he hasn't put anything except his gold-p…

> We just elected President the world's poorest billionaire, so you can bet everything will be for sale.

I have the feeling that Trump will be a worse copy of Berlusconi. Both have a fetish for young girls (Trump even said he 'd date his daughter, if she weren't related to him), both are extremely focused on PR, both do not really like politics based on facts, Berlusconi abused and manipulated the Italian court system in his years as president to avoid punishments - and I bet my ... that Trump will do the same.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Here's Peter's speech at the National Press Club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob-LJqPQEJ4 Could you point out anywhere that Peter supports bigotry? Or even, a single crazy statement in Peter's speech? (I wouldn't defend Trump. I'm defending Peter, who I respect a lot). The speech runs from 2:40 to 15:50, and can be watched in 7 minutes if you change speed to 2x. (Thomas, I respect you a lot too. I've never seen o…

How is this a coherent argument? "Here is an individual moment from someone's life. Use it to prove they're bigoted." How about we cite other moments in his life? Like the (multiple!) Stanford peers he had who recounted his support for apartheid, or the book he wrote about the evils of diversity, or the blog post he wrote for Cato in 2009 lamenting that women had obtained the right to vote? How about getting up on st…

> or the blog post he wrote for Cato in 2009 lamenting that women had obtained the right to vote?

He said no such thing in that article[1]. I have no idea about the rest, or about Thiel in general, but I did read the article. Your statement is as bad and inaccurate as any one-liner soundbite on right wing media.

The section in question (emphasis mine):

  As one fast-forwards to 2009, the prospects for a 
  *libertarian politics* appear grim indeed. Exhibit A
  is a financial crisis caused by too much debt and
  leverage, facilitated by a government that insured 
  against all sorts of moral hazards — and we know that
  the response to this crisis involves way more debt and 
  leverage, and way more government. Those who have
  argued for free markets have been screaming into a
  hurricane. The events of recent months shatter any 
  remaining hopes of *politically minded* libertarians. 
  For those of us who are libertarian in 2009, our 
  education culminates with the knowledge that the 
  broader education of the body politic has become a 
  fool’s errand.

  Indeed, even more pessimistically, the trend has been 
  going the wrong way for a long time. To return to 
  finance, the last economic depression in the United 
  States that did not result in massive government 
  intervention was the collapse of 1920–21. It was sharp 
  but short, and entailed the sort of Schumpeterian 
  “creative destruction” that could lead to a real boom. 
  The decade that followed — the roaring 1920s — was so 
  strong that historians have forgotten the depression
  that started it. The 1920s were the last decade in
  American history during which one could be genuinely
  optimistic about politics. Since 1920, the vast
  increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of 
  the franchise to women — two constituencies that are 
  notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the 
  notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron.
He's talking about the poor receptivity he (and apparently other libertarians?) believe those groups have to libertarian ideals, specifically of getting them to vote for libertarian policies; he's not lamenting their existence per se.

Indeed, there's a follow-up on this exact topic posted at the bottom of the article:

  It would be absurd to suggest that women’s votes will
  be taken away or that this would solve the political 
  problems that vex us. While I don’t think any class of  
  people should be disenfranchised, I have little hope 
  that voting will make things better.
And finally:

  I believe that politics is way too intense. That’s why 
  I’m a libertarian. Politics gets people angry, destroys 
  relationships, and polarizes peoples’ vision: the world 
  is us versus them; good people versus the other.
He may be naive or disillusioned or depressed or whatever, but your misleading soundbite perfectly illustrated his point.

[1] https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Oddly, both the title and the article skip over the fact that Thiel was a founder of Palantir Technologies (which has plenty of government contracts). Conflicts of interest be damned

Not this again. This just so wrong. Palantir worked for the Clinton Foundation. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/45010 For at least several years and definitely before Trump was on the map politically. The Podesta Emails literally have Alex Karp, the CEO, paying 100k to talk to Bill Clinton. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/11/05/02/3A142FF40000057...

Most powerful, wealthy interests support both sides. The only thing truely frightening for the status quo is probably someone like Bernie Sanders being in the white house. Dow Jones would not be popping up if that was the case.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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post #542

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Here's Peter's speech at the National Press Club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob-LJqPQEJ4 Could you point out anywhere that Peter supports bigotry? Or even, a single crazy statement in Peter's speech? (I wouldn't defend Trump. I'm defending Peter, who I respect a lot). The speech runs from 2:40 to 15:50, and can be watched in 7 minutes if you change speed to 2x. (Thomas, I respect you a lot too. I've never seen o…

It's called dog-whistle politics. It's subtle, so you have to listen hard, but here it is: "To the people who are used to influencing our choice of leaders, ..." and he goes on to describe "wealthy" and "successful" types of people. Basically he's talking "to" and "about" people like himself, namely, white men. The man is a bigot, and like all modern bigots, he hides (and shows) his bigotry in coded language like thi…

Seems clear to me that "people who are used to influencing our choice of leaders" means people who give 1M to campaigns, buy TV ads, etc.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Apparently because they supported his campaign too.. Man, it's hard to watch. I see evidence and hope very much that the pivot people thought would happen when he got the GOP nomination has happened now that he has won the White House and everything is sinking in. I didn't support Trump for prez, but I really hope he is successful and was a little excited shortly after the shock wore off. Excited for the unknown and…

> Excited for the unknown and the prospect that he might shake up the establishment. A lot of people say he isn't part of the establishment. The idea that someone who is rich and embedded in the media for the entire professional life is not part of the establishment is really confusing to me. Why do you have this perception? I am honestly curious.

> The idea that someone who is rich and embedded in the media for the entire professional life is not part of the establishment is really confusing to me.

People usually mean "political establishment" as "people who entered their party's youth org at 14 and since then never left working for their party". Which is bad because a politician who never had to do a real-world job in his life can neither understand nor empathize with the problems of the average population.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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How about "not afraid to make reasonable insights that run the risk of being misinterpreted as politically incorrect"? I watched his RNC speech for the first time today ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTJB8AkT1dk ). I couldn't fault it. Maybe if we could park our bourgeois principles for a moment and listen to the voices of the economically depressed regions in the country that voted for Trump, we could unite and f…

Income was pretty strongly positively correlated with voting for Trump over Clinton. The 'white working class revolt' narrative is only a small part of what happened on Tuesday.

Yes this is what everyone missed. If you watched South Park over the past 3 seasons, or watched Milo Yiannopolous' videos on YouTube, there is a battle going on against the progressive movement. Its about freedom of speech. But the liberals failed to see this, because they were too busy labelling everyone misogynist and racist.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Given the choice between Thiel (favors reconstitution of our political establishment and believes in science and technology) and the rest of the Trump hangers-on (are ambivalent towards reconstitution of the establishment and are anti-science), this is a decent outcome.

I'm afraid what Theil wants is a reconstitution of the Reagan Coalition, which was resoundingly defeated in the primary this year.

That would be a complete waste of time, especially considering its opposite, the New Left, will die along with it. Please let's kill two birds with one Trump and move past the neoliberal era.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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You can't call trump an extremist when half the country voted for him.

1) Seems a bit strong to tell someone what they can and can't say. 2) He didn't get half the country to vote for him. It looks like around 55-60% of voters turned out this year (the whole tally isn't calculated yet). Of those, he got less than 50% (as Clinton got more votes than him). So at best he seems to have gotten around 30% of the voters to vote for him. Not everyone is a voter (age, other disqualifying factors…

> Seems a bit strong to tell someone what they can and can't say.

Oh the irony. Political correctness played a large part in this election especially for the youth vote.

The left says: here is a list of things you can't say. Here are the punishments for saying them (public shaming, etc.).

The right says: say anything you like.

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