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Solar, wind, repairing of roads and bridges and building and tightening of low skill immigration. There is a load of blue collar work that can (and urgently needs to) be done in USA. Building a single wind turbine are dollars for R&D, truckers, manufacturers, maintainers, people that install and pour concrete, electricians, miners and so on ... And also maintaining and repairing the old stuff. The North Dakota oil bo…

I thought we would get an infrastructure boom from Obama during the Great Recession. We went through 2 huge rounds of spending that mostly went to "shovel ready" projects. From my understanding, today's construction budgets are tied up in capital costs like heavy machinery and materials. There isn't much need for labor anymore with automation and specialized equipment. There is also the issue of planning out infrastr…

Trump has years of experience in real estate development. I am sure he can pass project trough the regulators.

The critical variable is what is the Congress willing to do - if the Republicans embrace the blue collar workers - a lot can be accomplished.

Right now republicans have a chance to shape the country for a generation. And I hope they will see how rewarding the working class could benefit their big corporate donors - because america need a new middle class that can consume everything that corporate america produces.

And infrastructure spending is hard to resist to - it will benefit even Democratic districts.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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He got elected on all these promises. 1- Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it 2- Deportation Force on day one 3- Repeal obamacare 4- Renegotiate NAFTA 5- Bring back coal 6- Reduce taxes for the rich 7- Ban muslims 8- Prosecuting Hillary Clinton 9- Bring back American companies to the USA 10- Etc. The Senate and the House are Republicans and the Supreme court will lean republican after his appointment. What do yo…

It's like 1930s Germany all over again, except that Muslims are the new Jews. You'd think we would have learned from last time a racist, populist demagogue gained control of a nation. (Yes, I'm aware that "Godwin's Law invoked". In this case, it's actually relevant.)

> It's like 1930s Germany all over again, except that Muslims are the new Jews.

Considering how a certain segment of the population interpreted Trump campaign's last ad and cheered at that interpretation I wouldn't "worry", Muslims are more Jew+ than new Jews: the old ones are still going in the oven.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

On the other hand, Trump focused his campaign on populist anger against Clinton, which seems very similar to making the case against someone else. "The woman, Hillary, it would be a disaster if she was elected and I can save you from her." I'm not convinced by this argument.

That was part of his argument. He also pushed immigration and anti-trade.

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This sucks. Web forums are the worst way to curate/understand/participate in a dialogue... especially something like this topic. All I see is a wall of text where supposedly "the good stuff" floats to the top by magic.

sigh

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You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

> You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. One of the issues with this is that while yes, you can get the people to become more skilled/educated, ultimately the jobs that take advantage of that skills and education are in cities, not in small…

Sure, hostile towards government while a large percentage of people actually work for government.

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I hope both parties learn something form this result. Establishment Republicans and the DNC alike have had their asses handed to them handily. I suspect the Democrats will need to move more towards the progressive wing to be competitive in the future. Someone like Warren may be able to straddle the fine line of capturing Bernie enthusiasm without isolating more center leaning democrats.

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How else can a bunch of very different people work together and be productive together without some level of decorum and safety? So, we get rid of 'political correctness' (i.e. respectfulness), and what then? Many people don't like their co-worker's or neighbor's personal beliefs or behaviors. I can't see that letting people be persecuted openly will end well or fruitfully for anyone. Addendum: It's interesting that…

The problem with SJW culture is not that they want respect, it's the utterly disrespectful, hostile, and dogmatic way they go about demanding it, and defining it.

>with SJW culture

This isn't actually a thing. It's an internet narrative that tends to be more projectionist than anything substantial.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Everyone seems to be talking about what a strong repudiation this is of the Obama, Clinton, and liberalism in general, but at the time of this writing Clinton is actually ahead in the popular vote by a 200,000+ vote margin and it looks like she'll maintain the lead. Yes this was far closer than many expected, but Trump's victory is largely an anomaly of a system that heavily favors rural, geographically distributed v…

Maybe after this we can get rid of the electoral college and move to popular vote? That's a joke of course. Politicians would never vote it through.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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I think the election of Trump is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.

Could you elaborate on what these things are? PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning an micro aggression(?)

PC: Politically Correct SJW: Social Justice Warrior

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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My optimistic take: he's probably going to be a Berlusconi. Generally bad for the economy, bad for freedom, but probably won't carry through on the worst of his bad ideas. I think there's a small chance he'll be more of a Mussolini. The obvious thing to look for there is if he starts trying to carry out the threat to deport illegal immigrants, which would require door to door searches, "papers please" and that kind of thing.

There are also some serious geopolitical things that could go real wrong real quick: if I were in one of the Baltic states this morning, I would be doing some serious thinking about defense.

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