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That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Post by tagrun »

kplanz wrote: post #469

I do not agree with the author of the article. I think there also is reason #3: They think they don't need an upgrade. There are a lot of people who own an old PC and think it's the best possible setup. But in reality they actually wouldn't need a full PC because all they do is browse the web and read/write emails. My opinion is that many people would be better off with an iPad than a PC. It's small, portable, intuit…

Great support? My wife's experience with them has been terrible, I don't even want to talk about it. They basically blocked us from using warranty, and told us to pay fully for a new device. And I promised that's the last apple product that will enter our home.

And after the iOS update rendered many "old" devices unusably slow, the "great" customer support basically told them to spend more money on new models.

> wouldn't need a full PC because

Your pitch is wrong: people already own a PC, what they don't need is to buy apple gadgets, and replace them with newer apple gadgets every couple of years. My parents are totally happy with their ~10 year old PC with SSD, running LTS Debian, and are able to do everything they want freely.

As for myself, I do own an Android smartphone, but that's only because the phone company gave it for free, not that I asked for it, and such a "toy" system definitely isn't going to replace my PC, or a true POSIX environment.

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Post by vostok »

ajmurmann wrote: post #293
vostok wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to have an 11" MacBook Air of a similar age. It broke so I was about to buy a new one before I discovered that they still don't have retina displays and have a very small amount of ram. They quoted such a high price for repairs that I was able to purchase a Chromebook with 4GB of RAM and an Intel NUC with 16GB of RAM for the same amount. Both are running Linux, and I'm very happy.

For some reason I had never heard of the NUC. Just looked it up and it's incredible for the price. F* the Mac Mini! Thank you very much for mentioning the NUC!

I'm pretty sure the NUC is overpriced, but I didn't really care enough to optimise any further.

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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ajmurmann wrote: post #293
vostok wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to have an 11" MacBook Air of a similar age. It broke so I was about to buy a new one before I discovered that they still don't have retina displays and have a very small amount of ram. They quoted such a high price for repairs that I was able to purchase a Chromebook with 4GB of RAM and an Intel NUC with 16GB of RAM for the same amount. Both are running Linux, and I'm very happy.

For some reason I had never heard of the NUC. Just looked it up and it's incredible for the price. F* the Mac Mini! Thank you very much for mentioning the NUC!

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Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Post by Falkon1313 »

rockshassa wrote: post #12

I just can't bring myself to feel the author's anger, in any capacity. He wants to position this as a jab against those who build their own PCs, but that is utterly irrelevant. What percentage of those 600 million five-year-old PCs do you really think are being thoughtfully maintained by modders? Does the author realize that most people do not want the responsibility of maintaining their own hardware? Or that they do…

Perhaps, but the keyboard, mouse, and monitor on an iPad suck compared to even an ancient PC. Nevermind its complete lack of ability to run the software that you've been using for years (or anything that will read your datafiles). Or new software that isn't locked-in to Apple.

I'm currently using a PC that's about 10 years old (bought it used a few years ago for super-cheap). Hardware has never been upgraded, maintained, or modded (although it was upgraded from Vista to Windows 7). Only pain point is that the RAM is maxed out for what the motherboard can handle (4GB) and some of the newest software is too bloated for that. So I'll probably replace it this year.

But an iPad doesn't seem to solve any pain point. Would it provide more than 32GB of RAM, a better mechanical keyboard, better 24" monitor, better 5-button+scrollwheel mouse, better compatibility with legacy DOS, Windows, and Linux software, better compatibility with modern software? No, it would fail at all of the above. That's why a 10-year old PC is better than a new-model iPad. Go ahead, call it sad and laugh, I have good enough reason to call the latest iPad sad and laugh.

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Post by leni536 »

EliRivers wrote: post #383
leni536 wrote: post #360

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You don't have to listen to random strangers' judgments though.

And what about all the people who are not random strangers? The people who can have a material effect on my life and will do so, in part, on their assessment of my worth? Shall I ignore them as well? What does that get me? The points I was making without spelling them out explicitly, before being confronted with the sad fact that too many people appear to have been watching the Hallmark Channel, are that there is no…

Well, my friends really don't care what kind of phone I have.

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Post by sanityinc »

zerohm wrote: post #512
SyneRyder wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have two 10-year old PCs in active use on my desk right now - both are running Windows 10, one is playing back Netflix right now while I type this on a third (brand new) machine. The kicker? Those two 10-year old "PCs" are actually MacBooks. They still run fine & do everything I need those machines to do - but I had to install Windows 10 on them, because Apple stopped supporting their own hardware. A machine that m…

This. The computer that by far gets the most use in my house is a 2009 Mac Book Pro. I've upgraded the hard drive to an SSD so it's still quite snappy. The monitor is still bright and colorful. All the keyboard keys still have good action. The mouse pad physical click is the only thing that has fizzled out and I could fix that for $100. So yeah, it doesn't look great when Apple says "replace your 5 year old computer"…

Check to see if the battery is swollen -- that happened a lot with those machines, and typically interfered with the trackpad click.

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Post by beyondcompute »

I am using a 2011 laptop. I am not poor. I understand Apple is being sad (it's a business) that I don't buy new hardware (I feel there's no more return over the investment). I also agree that tablets are closer to the present (not the "future", ha-ha) of computing but I am software developer and I will gladly switch to iPad pro only when I have an access to terminal, all the usual unix tools, homebrew and the ability to compile/run the usual web-dev software: servers, database systems, programming languages (and to easily connect my mechanical keyboard). Apple is not mocking the poor. Calm down, let's get back to work.

Re: That awkward moment when Apple mocked good hardware and poor people

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Post by justaaron »

rockshassa wrote: post #12

I just can't bring myself to feel the author's anger, in any capacity. He wants to position this as a jab against those who build their own PCs, but that is utterly irrelevant. What percentage of those 600 million five-year-old PCs do you really think are being thoughtfully maintained by modders? Does the author realize that most people do not want the responsibility of maintaining their own hardware? Or that they do…

i get rather upset in reading your comments as you don't acknowledge the active role Apple plays in pushing for more consumption of products that are damaging to our environment to produce and dispose of, that still don't have lifecycle management strategies in place.

I have a 2011 13" macbook pro that works fine, but I must remain on Lion for various software versions I own (purchased licenses, some are not upgradeable at all)

this means: no XCode past 4.2, which means no iOS dev past 6... Chrome and numerous other apps are no longer supported etc.

and when M$ tried to retire WinXP after over a decade of service they were still met with resistance...

apple gets away with a lot...

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Post by justaaron »

dTal wrote: post #544
SyneRyder wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's understandable, but also interesting when juxtaposed with Microsoft still making 32-bit versions of Windows 10 in 2016. They're supporting the same hardware that Apple won't, and also an additional 10 years of security updates (Windows 10 End-Of-Life for those 32-bit machines is October 14, 2025 [1]). I also have a 64-bit Core 2 Duo that Apple no longer supports. OS X Lion was the last release for the 20…

It is interesting, but perhaps it doesn't mean much in the end. All it really signifies is that Macbooks are PC-compatible. Microsoft is under a lot more pressure to support 32-bit processors, as they're still kicking around - Apple meanwhile only have to support their own hardware. I would also say that Microsoft's End-Of-Life security update promises mean a lot less now that they've demonstrated willingness to subv…

stop denying apples active agency in their policies and cultivated culture...

they are actively pro-consumerism they are actively pro-waste

they actively don't care about your slighly older product. you are advocating holding them to a lesser standard of culpability and support than M$ and I find it ridiculous.

There's a palpable issue here. One shouldn't try to deny it.

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