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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by joedevops »

farkas wrote: post #508
djur wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have. Like most Atlassian products, the base product has subpar functionality that you can theoretically expand with overpriced and/or low-quality plugins. Also, the degree to which Atlassian products integrate varies a lot. FishEye and Crucible integrate closely. Both of them integrate OK with Jira. Neither of them really integrate at a…

> Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.

While we've got your attention, the number one feature I'd like to see is installation and configuration that meshes well with devops tools.like Chef, Puppet or Ansible. Your current installers require multiple phases of installing the files/dbs and then interacting with running apps via a web ui to configure.

Could you make it so that you could just lay down files, attach storage and start the service?

Also, clustering (active/active) word be awesome.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by hitekker »

reitanqild wrote: post #548
hitekker wrote: post #502

Hey, mods, did the top level comments get resequenced in this thread? Up until an hour ago, iza's comment was the first comment; now it's the fifth. I understand that the post itself may be inflammatory but the resulting discussion actually avoided a lot of the diversity v.s. meritocracy ("it's my side or the highway!") that some of the other comment threads are focusing on.

Votes affect ordering even of top level comments. As far as I understand it you mostly don't see it because once a thread gets to the top it is receiving a net positive stream of incoming vote and since it is already at the top it will receive more votes that threads further down the page. Sometimes threads are detached by admins and end up at the bottom of the page. In those cases they are usually (possibly always)…

Perhaps that's the case, but isa's comment was the first comment for 4 hours after it was posted. Round about two hours ago, it suddenly dropped down to the fifth slot, not the second or third.

I don't know what HN's policy is on resequencing; I thought I would ask to see if I'm not understanding something correctly.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by b6 »

rtpg wrote: post #537
b6 wrote: post #469

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But do you agree that the goal should be, more or less, to create a world where ethnicity, sex, and other body attributes matter as little as, say, eye color does today? If so, what is the plan to achieve that goal? Don't we achieve it by actually acting that way as much as possible ? That's what makes sense to me. Suppose we, in the name of equality or diversity or fairness, actually elevate the importance of bodily…

Let's say we all started ignoring everything you're talking about today. Currently a black family making $100k will live in roughly the same area as a white family making $30k. This family is also much more likely to have family that has gone to prison due to previous racist institutions, and less likely to have had 3 generations of parents having gone to Stanford. So sure, race gets ignored, but do you think people…

> Your end goal might be laudable, but the path to reach it requires corrections

If you think it's a good goal, how would you would try to achieve it?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jshevek »

ceejayoz wrote: post #269
yoodenvranx wrote: post #146

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I am a young white male with no money, no job and bad health. Can I please have some of this mysterious magic power I am supposed to have?

You're setting up a straw man here. No one talking about white privilege says it means white people can't ever have a tough life. Just as being black doesn't mean you can't ever be successful. It's simply argued that if all other things were equal, chances are you'd have it harder as a minority. As an example: http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html > a white name yields as many more [job] callbacks as an additio…

> No one talking about white privilege says it means white people can't ever have a tough life.

False. Many people who speak frequently about white privilege actually do sometimes make the argument that white people's lives are so intrinsically easier than POCs, that we need not ever worry about harming any white people.

This mentality is most visible when a gang of righteous ideologues are waging a vicious doxxing or "harass their employer until they fire them" campaign against an accused white person.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by b6 »

ben0x539 wrote: post #556
b6 wrote: post #536

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> Not talking or thinking about race ... does absolutely nothing to help. But in the better future world we're trying to create where there is much less discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or sex or other body attributes, isn't that exactly what we'd be doing, not talking or thinking about race because it just isn't important to us? Isn't not talking or thinking about race exactly what we should be doing, as muc…

This is like saying I shouldn't be worrying about my budget, because in the future that I am trying to create where I have plenty of money, I won't need to.

Isn't it a bit more like saying that because I don't want to be an alcoholic anymore, I should try hard every day not to drink?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by douche »

b6 wrote: post #566
ben0x539 wrote: post #556

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This is like saying I shouldn't be worrying about my budget, because in the future that I am trying to create where I have plenty of money, I won't need to.

Isn't it a bit more like saying that because I don't want to be an alcoholic anymore, I should try hard every day not to drink?

Sure, you could be one of those that gets addicted to AA and goes to three meetings a day.

Or you could just put it out of mind and not drink.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by 13thLetter »

vinceguidry wrote: post #529
arama471 wrote: post #516

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You misinterpret proc0's comment: they are saying there is no excuse to treat Neil deGrasse Tyson as a shoplifter because of his race, that there is no excuse to ever decide that all people of a certain race or any category are all something or share something (in their comment "assholes" in yours "shoplifting"). Basically racism (using this definition: [1]) is never OK, regardless to which race and with which attrib…

> they are saying there is no excuse to treat Neil deGrasse Tyson as a shoplifter because of his race If that's really what he's saying, then that's even dumber. You can change how you think. You can help to change the thinking of the people you come in contact with. You can't change anyone you've never met, particularly the people who treated Tyson as a shoplifter. I'd love it if racism were to just disappear too. B…

> I'd love it if racism were to just disappear too. But wanting it to happen doesn't make it happen.

The point being made here is that making the system even more racist is going to make the problem even worse. It's bad to assume Neal DeGrasse Tyson is a shoplifter because of the color of his skin. It's also bad (it may or may not be worse, but it is in no way good) to assume a person will discriminate against others because of the color of his skin.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by mikerichards »

proc0 wrote: post #379

I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…

American culture is such a bummer when it comes to how it shoves people into categories. We need to start learning how to simply NOT THINK about race, and NOT MENTION IT. There is simply no excuse at all to mention it. People CANNOT be categorized based on skin color at all, AT ALL. People cannot be categorized based on culture either. Virtually everyone is multi-ethnic and multi-racial at some level. To identify even yourself as belonging to a distinct "color" is just a fabrication of American culture that is an unfortunate outcome of the history in this country.

Nope, the left won't let that happen. Leftists have to categorize to divide, conquer, and marginalize their enemies...all under the guise of compassion and the other bullshit they make up to further their agenda.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by reitanqild »

hitekker wrote: post #562
reitanqild wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Votes affect ordering even of top level comments. As far as I understand it you mostly don't see it because once a thread gets to the top it is receiving a net positive stream of incoming vote and since it is already at the top it will receive more votes that threads further down the page. Sometimes threads are detached by admins and end up at the bottom of the page. In those cases they are usually (possibly always)…

Perhaps that's the case, but isa's comment was the first comment for 4 hours after it was posted. Round about two hours ago, it suddenly dropped down to the fifth slot, not the second or third. I don't know what HN's policy is on resequencing; I thought I would ask to see if I'm not understanding something correctly.

Possibly brigading downvoters then, I don't know.
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