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Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by swed420 »

asveikau wrote: post #401
swed420 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> users that will likely never sign up to X, but who want to read/watch some content They probably don't want their echo chamber leaking to the wider internet, because external discussion of the content would reveal it for the siloed thought bubble that it is. Consider X now requires personal information to sign up, and after handing that info over, signups are often still rejected with no explanation given. Yet anot…

> signups are often still rejected with no explanation given That's pretty odd. When I google this, there are claims that this is to prevent spam accounts. Obviously, if you choose not to take them at their word, one can read all sorts of odd reasons into it.

That exchange might be believable if bots didn't exist on X, but they absolutely do, hence the search for other explanations.

Considering who owns it, it'd be weird if they didn't want a carefully curated echo chamber of sanitized thought.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by yyyk »

dpmartinez wrote: post #91

Are there other instances available? X can't ban them all. I wish legal issues wouldn’t exist for this project and X would stop attacking projects that provide information for free. Privacy is important more than ever as many of us don't want to login into X.

>Are there other instances available?

It's been discussed before:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49571634 ("Nitter has more working instances than before the takedowns")

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by WarmWash »

immibis2 wrote: post #521
WarmWash wrote: post #412

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Read the story of vid.me, YouTube's only ever credible competitor. There is also nebula and curiosity stream, which also illustrate my point. Both solid good services with There is no better service than YouTube while using an ad-blocker, and no amount of "awesome new platform" can break that. Most people's response to "YouTube sucks" is to ad-block on YouTube, not go to a competitor(and pay/view ads). It totally bre…

It's interesting to think about what is actually so good about YouTube. Is it being able to go to the homepage and see a bunch of stuff to click on? Nebula has that. I signed up to Nebula to support alternative platforms, yet I still click on YouTube all the time and not Nebula. Why is that? I'm not sure.

Because yt pays creators more than the others, both in absolute (total dollars) and relative (revenue share) terms.

As long people are "sticking it to the man" with ad-block, youtube gets to keep it's monopoly. They have literately turned people's greed back against themselves, since it ensures starvation of competitors. And yt doesn't have anything to do with it, hence not monopolistic.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by encomiast »

vladgur wrote: post #411
trey-jones wrote: post #221

Regardless of the legality of the service: I always use xcancel instead of X. I don't have a twitter account and I don't want to sign in. I just occasionally want to read what some people had to say about something. Even this is usually a mistake. It's probably better taken as entertainment. My point is: companies stop making your product suck, and people won't have a reason to try and fix it for you.

You want to read what service XYZ offers, but you dont want to do it within the constraints of service XYZ. If you dont want to follow the constraints of service XYZ, you dont have to consume its content. The market would dictate that if X content consumers found it too inconvenient to consume from X and that would result in a significant drop in demand, the X content producers would stop producing their content on X…

> If you dont want to follow the constraints of service XYZ, you dont have to consume its content.

I am 100% okay with this. I don't want what Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook offer, so I no longer have an account these platforms. But I do have an account with my local electric utility. It's my only option. And if I want to find information about an outage, it's posted on their Facebook page. I'm 0% okay with this.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by sippingabonedry »

immibis2 wrote: post #515
asdff wrote: post #447

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I don't understand who all these people are who keep saying 'but I need twitter for my local politicians.' Like really? I have not followed any local politicians or authorities twitter and I still get relevant information. Believe it or not, which you might not if all you do is parrot these comments and I have seen this very comment line of thinking parroted for YEARS about twitter, most people do not follow the city…

The current American government is basically entirely comprised of people who were terminally online on Twitter and communicating with the right politicians - those people got everything they wanted. This seems like evidence that it actually does matter.

Remember when Obama was lauded as the first 'online' president, with everyone from Redditors to news media gushing about his BlackBerry? What is the point you are trying to make, aside from "VC-funded apps and smartphones and how we use them have naturally evolved since 2008"?

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by sippingabonedry »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #548
phforms wrote: post #434

I know it’s hard for some people (for understandable reasons), but at some point we have to ignore the X site completely and make politicians and public services/institutions aware that some people do not have or want access to the site. That is the only way anything might change someday. Maybe I’m just being naive here, but what else can you do? xcancel was amazing and I hope they can continue in some way. But since…

Support and platforming of neo-Nazis and nation state sockpuppets are big reasons to avoid X. Boycott, divest, sanction, and shun those who intend to harm society.

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Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by [deleted] »

multjoy wrote: post #533
aperrien wrote: post #489

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Is it possible to help or encourage our local municipal services to have either an RSS or BlueSky feed? At this point, it's becoming apparent that putting all the information eggs in the twitter basket is/was a bad idea. This is a place where open source standards should shine.

This is an area where Mastodon ought to shine. Departments/organisations can create their own instances, with named users. Interested constituents follow those users with their client of choice. Direct following means you avoid the federation dramas. No algorithim means that people get the updates they want when they're posted. Users get a familiar-looking client to bang out the quick updates. Obviously the issue is…

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Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by immibis2 »

WarmWash wrote: post #553
immibis2 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to think about what is actually so good about YouTube. Is it being able to go to the homepage and see a bunch of stuff to click on? Nebula has that. I signed up to Nebula to support alternative platforms, yet I still click on YouTube all the time and not Nebula. Why is that? I'm not sure.

Because yt pays creators more than the others, both in absolute (total dollars) and relative (revenue share) terms. As long people are "sticking it to the man" with ad-block, youtube gets to keep it's monopoly. They have literately turned people's greed back against themselves, since it ensures starvation of competitors. And yt doesn't have anything to do with it, hence not monopolistic.

Even with creators who post on both Nebula and YouTube, I still end up watching them on YouTube for some reason.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by [deleted] »

butlike wrote: post #474
brainwad wrote: post #257

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Well, adblockers don't copy the copyrighted content. They just control how it's rendered on the user's machine. Copyright cares about making copies and especially distributing them.

Xcancel isn't copying the copyrighted content either. It takes the raw JSON/HTML data from twitter/x via reverse proxy and redisplays it on xcancel, as opposed to twitter/x. How is that copying?

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