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Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by carlosjobim »

pfdietz wrote: post #544
carlosjobim wrote: post #474

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And why should the government and the tax payers be held responsible and be forced to pay for the bad decisions of Microsoft and their customers? MacOS is not limited in any way for the needs an average citizen has from computers. The average citizen is even fine with an iPad. 8GB is considered "low" by people here, just like a 170 horse power hatchback is considered "low" by muscle car enthusiasts and mining compani…

> And why should the government and the tax payers be held responsible and be forced to pay for the bad decisions of Microsoft and their customers? Ah, a motte and bailey argument! I always love those. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

I don't find anything hard to defend about my argument. It origins in response to people arguing on the lines that the government should subsidize RAM because it is expensive. But it is not expensive for a customer unless they're getting a lot of it. My argument has been the same all through this thread, while hackers are arguing all over the place.

The most absurd argument is that any consumer would need more than 8GB, when it is proven beyond all doubt in physical reality that 8GB gives you extreme amounts of power in for example an Apple device - at consumer friendly prices.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by pfdietz »

carlosjobim wrote: post #551
pfdietz wrote: post #544

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And why should the government and the tax payers be held responsible and be forced to pay for the bad decisions of Microsoft and their customers? Ah, a motte and bailey argument! I always love those. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

I don't find anything hard to defend about my argument. It origins in response to people arguing on the lines that the government should subsidize RAM because it is expensive. But it is not expensive for a customer unless they're getting a lot of it. My argument has been the same all through this thread, while hackers are arguing all over the place. The most absurd argument is that any consumer would need more than 8…

> I don't find anything hard to defend about my argument.

Of course. Because "I need more than 8 GB of RAM" and "the government should subsidize Microsoft" are logically equivalent statements. If you're insane.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by m4rtink »

I've just compared prices for an SSD and a rotary disk drive I bought both about 2 years ago. The same SSD is now 3x as expensive and the rotary drive is twice as expensive.

This is insane & needs to stop. Also those responsible should be punished for undermining modern society (which is heavily dependent on IT equipment) in such a manner for personal gain.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by kridsdale1 »

robin_reala wrote: post #152
mvdtnz wrote: post #148

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Apple is known to slow older devices intentionally. They have admitted it. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67911517

That’s the literal truth, but the subtlety behind it was that CPU spikes combined with low voltage batteries were causing phones to shut off. Apple’s slowing down the phone down was nominally because customers prefer slightly slower phones to phones that shut off unexpectedly. Should they have announced this as a feature and had a toggle switch to allow users that preferred the option to disable it? Of course. But I…

Thank you for the sanity. This is like being being mad at Ford because a 20 year old truck runs worse than a new one, and they’d want some engine design that would make it rev in to redline (and blow up while driving) to keep the original horsepower.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by kridsdale1 »

fsloth wrote: post #495
Panino wrote: post #125

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> Computers are fast and have been fast for a while now. Absolutely. The only reason I want to upgrade to an iPhone 18 next year is because the 16 doesn't have MIE (Memory Integrity Enforcement) and it feels ridiculous to upgrade so quickly to the 17, which does have MIE. Same thing with a Neo 2. But mostly I buy surplus gear. I've saved a small fortune this way and 8% compounding returns (VT and chill) will help me…

Personally I have zero reasons to upgrade from IPhone 13 until the software stops working. I hope it will last me several years more. Beautiful hardware.

The Blue 13 Mini is still on my desk as a backup in case my 17 is whack and because it’s a beautiful object.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by kridsdale1 »

phil21 wrote: post #395
rwyinuse wrote: post #187

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This is one of the rare situations where an out-of-control homelab & PC building hobby is actually useful. With over 250GB of RAM & 90TB of storage I will be fine for a while, especially as long as DDR4 era machines remain relevant.

My issue is my digital hoarding. I've always said it I "collect" things digitally vs. physical, so I can scratch that itch without causing a disaster for my life. A half rack of JBODs is a lot cleaner and overall less expensive to operate than deciding I need to collect every single Lego Technic set ever produced or something. The problem is I also operated under the prior "storage always gets cheaper over time" and…

It sounds to me like you don’t have a data collection hobby so much as a data hardware collection hobby.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by kridsdale1 »

hbn wrote: post #250
Foobar8568 wrote: post #40

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I bought a prebuilt with a 5090 a little over than one month ago, whole system was on sales. The cost of the prebuilt is now lower than today 5090 price.

Earlier this year I finally bit the bullet and grabbed myself a 5080 for my gaming PC. I wanted to push things a bit more than my 3060ti allowed, and I figured it probably won't get any cheaper any time soon. The PS5/Xbox Series console generation is supposed to be wrapping up soon even though it barely feels like it got started. I don't sense there's appetite for more powerful consoles anytime soon (I don't believe…

Sony has finalized the PS6 but is going to wait out the market because they know customers won’t spend $800 for it.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by mrbukkake »

Aditya_Garg wrote: post #297
AngryData wrote: post #73

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"Sometime in the next few years" is not anywhere near narrow enough of a window to start putting shorts on stock prices.

OP sounds way too confident about the general direction so Im calling him out to take some action on his "insight" Buying out of money puts with expiration a few years out on AI adjacent stocks should do the trick

Totally inane post. Why does he need to justify his opinion by gambling on the stock market? Having a belief about the way things are going doesn't mean he knows when the tower of corruption and graft is going to collapse

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by yomismoaqui »

m4rtink wrote: post #553

I've just compared prices for an SSD and a rotary disk drive I bought both about 2 years ago. The same SSD is now 3x as expensive and the rotary drive is twice as expensive. This is insane & needs to stop. Also those responsible should be punished for undermining modern society (which is heavily dependent on IT equipment) in such a manner for personal gain.

So... blame capitalism?

Capitalism gave you cheap hardware and then took it away.

PS: Don't worry, memory is a boom/bust business.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by GreenLightGo »

m4rtink wrote: post #553

I've just compared prices for an SSD and a rotary disk drive I bought both about 2 years ago. The same SSD is now 3x as expensive and the rotary drive is twice as expensive. This is insane & needs to stop. Also those responsible should be punished for undermining modern society (which is heavily dependent on IT equipment) in such a manner for personal gain.

If this really happened, then someone is clearly benefiting from it. Basically, it’s speculation and an artificial shortage. But that’s just how the game works.
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