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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by JimDabell »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #336
andy99 wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s hard to know in retrospect what was strategy and what was dumb luck. This was in the midst of hysterical calls to limit access by “AI researchers” and safety/ethics types, when very facile takes still has a lot of sway (I think we’ll feel the same in three years about the current Fable stuff). It may have been hard for Meta to just release it outright. What ended up happening was fairly limited gating followed b…

I don’t understand how you can look at what’s happening right now and call people simply calling for caution “hysterical”

In the same month the Llama weights were leaked, Eliezer Yudkowsky – possibly the most prominent AI doomer, had an article published in TIME magazine saying that we should conduct airstrikes on foreign datacentres to stop their AI development. I’m comfortable labelling that “hysterical”.

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kazinator wrote: post #441
bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

Gaddafi criticized Islamic fanatics; he was basically a good guy in the Middle East.

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Post by drob518 »

thraway3837 wrote: post #300
drob518 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a long term pattern. When you’re winning (Anthropic), you keep the tech closed and try to monetize it as much as possible. When you’re losing (Meta), you open it up or drag it into a standards committee to either devalue it or slow the leader down while you prepare a “standard” version of it. You also highlight how altruistic and morally good you are for having done so. There is nothing new under the sun. It’s a…

Great take, just came here to say this and you said it better than I could have. I don't trust Zuck, and I think there's a larger strategy that he has been advised on this and he's simply copy pasting a PR piece his people made.

Thanks. Yea, I’m sure there are corp strategies at play here. Zuckerberg didn’t just roll out of bed and decide to do this one day. Ever since the Llama 4 fiasco, I’m sure they’ve been trying to restart everything, but for whatever reason they can’t seem to deliver something on the frontier. So, when you’re behind, play the “open” card and accuse your competitors of being bad people. I’ve been a part of running this same play multiple times at multiple companies over decades.

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Post by thaway7388 »

blueSky1989 wrote: post #67

My favorite paragraph from Zuckerberg's writeup: """ [...] it is surprising that the discourse from many developing AI is so filled with doom. I do not understand why anyone who believes that AI will eliminate most jobs and much of humanity's relevance would rush to build that future. The notion that AI is so dangerous that the only safe path is an extreme concentration of power seems inherently problematic. Historic…

This is actually pretty good.

All dictators and Fascists in the history believe they are benevolent and doing best for the society/World. Fascism seems to be the dominant ideology among SV billionaires today. They want more control, not because they need more money, but because they want to do “good” to everyone in the world. They genuinely believe they can dominate the world using AI. They are playing the World domination game. They act and talk like the commanders of the armies and rulers of the nations. They are after the absolute power so nothing less is enough for them.

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Post by mirekrusin »

nradov wrote: post #542
mirekrusin wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we have more than 1 data point for AI progress.

We have zero data points for AGI progress.

Progress is defined by capability data points over time that we have plenty where AGI is a threshold ie. stuff like METR [0] and dozens of others.

[0] https://metr.org/time-horizons

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Post by sharts »

ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

Did the good thing come from and for good intentions? Probably not. It's a strategic move. And merely words.

Let the results speak after all is said AND done.

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Post by sharts »

limagnolia wrote: post #19
root-parent wrote: post #13

Is going to take it one day at a time, on being a less evil bilionaire :-) "Zuckerberg faces questions over why superyacht reportedly declined to help stranded boat" - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/09/zuckerberg-s...

Reading the facts of this incident, it seems like much to do about nothing. The crew are saying that the request came in on a frequency they weren't monitoring (and apparently were not required to monitor.) The Coast Guard determined it was not an emergency. The criticism lies with those who failed to properly fuel their boat, not the crew who didn't respond to a request that came over a frequency they were not on. T…

Same as car accidents I guess. Not your problem if you're not involved

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Post by tpm »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #537
tpm wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what’s happening right now And that would be closed-AI companies failing to keep their AI closed in a box, thus proving open-AI proponents right and the hysterical group wrong?

I think the term you're looking for is Marketing. If these labs actually had their LLMs attack other company's networks, wouldn't at least a handful of people be locked up by now?

I don't believe the OpenAI LLM attack on HF is marketing (documented by, for example, HF annoucing a hacking incident before OpenAI knew what's going on). I do believe other companies suddenly announcing their LLMs can hack too is a bit of marketing, but also pretty sure at least some of these incidents are real and unplanned.

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Post by kwanbix »

thaway7388 wrote: post #554
blueSky1989 wrote: post #67

My favorite paragraph from Zuckerberg's writeup: """ [...] it is surprising that the discourse from many developing AI is so filled with doom. I do not understand why anyone who believes that AI will eliminate most jobs and much of humanity's relevance would rush to build that future. The notion that AI is so dangerous that the only safe path is an extreme concentration of power seems inherently problematic. Historic…

This is actually pretty good. All dictators and Fascists in the history believe they are benevolent and doing best for the society/World. Fascism seems to be the dominant ideology among SV billionaires today. They want more control, not because they need more money, but because they want to do “good” to everyone in the world. They genuinely believe they can dominate the world using AI. They are playing the World domi…

I doubt Larry Elison thinks he is doing good in the world. Same for everyone else. Maybe the exceptions are Elon and Bill.
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