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Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by KolenCh »

cribbles wrote: post #411

For those keeping track, this is now (at least) the third wholly or partially AI-generated article on the theme of "taste" as enduring source of human comparative advantage to hit the HN front page. Previously: Taste in the age of AI and LLMs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47677241 You Had No Taste Before AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45288551

Have you read the article? It has an unbalanced emdash: `word— another word`. A novice mistake that an LLM likely will not commit nowadays. In standard typography—depending on which guide you need to follow — it can only be padded by space on both side or neither.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by robocat »

Izkata wrote: post #487
jkahrs595 wrote: post #355

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Th emdash is not something I use ever (before or after AI slop), but telling people not to use it because it’s associated with slop is not the way. It’s like when people tried to tell everyone to stop using the ok symbol with their hands because a small group of hateful fucks pretended it meant something else. It only switches meaning if you let it, and stop using it yourself. What happens when AI adopts something el…

> because a small group of hateful fucks pretended it meant something else. That was a 4chan op designed to make leftists overreact and look stupid. There were also like a dozen other common hand signals with similar contrived meanings, but that was the only one they fell for.

> 4chan op

Yet another successful op I can't explain to many. Here's an OK summary: https://mashable.com/article/ok-hand-gesture-hate-symbol-ant...

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by esikich »

lelanthran wrote: post #338
esikich wrote: post #209

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This is just a problem of articulating what you want. Most people can't write for shit, I'm sorry. Because they maybe took one writing class in college. It's a skill in it's own. LLMs write better than anyone I've ever worked with and the reasons are obvious. If it rambles or is too "purple", that's on the person prompting it, because they can't write for shit to begin with.

> LLMs write better than anyone I've ever worked with If you're talking about prose, this is obviously false. All the LLM prose I see is so mentally fatiguing to read that I usually just give up. There are no lack of examples of poorly written LLM prose.

Right, because of the person promoting it.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by esikich »

nunez wrote: post #259
esikich wrote: post #209

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This is just a problem of articulating what you want. Most people can't write for shit, I'm sorry. Because they maybe took one writing class in college. It's a skill in it's own. LLMs write better than anyone I've ever worked with and the reasons are obvious. If it rambles or is too "purple", that's on the person prompting it, because they can't write for shit to begin with.

I'd much rather see badly written text that someone invested time into instead of perfectly written and infinitely soulless AI slop

Lol why, this is just silly

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by esikich »

crooked-v wrote: post #219
esikich wrote: post #209

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This is just a problem of articulating what you want. Most people can't write for shit, I'm sorry. Because they maybe took one writing class in college. It's a skill in it's own. LLMs write better than anyone I've ever worked with and the reasons are obvious. If it rambles or is too "purple", that's on the person prompting it, because they can't write for shit to begin with.

> LLMs write better than anyone I've ever worked with And yet every time I see AI-written documentation, there's paragraphs worth of throat clearing and space-wasters like the word "genuinely" for things that could have been outlined in a couple of bullet points.

Right, that's on the prompter being ok with that. It does what you tell it to do. I don't understand how you dorks on this site are so obtuse about this shit. Give it examples of what you want, authors, etc. Or don't and just cry. The world is your oyster.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

Marha01 wrote: post #229
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #204

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> They're here, because even "bad" code has uses. We can have quantity over quality. We can generate throw-away programs (where the lack of maintainability doesn't matter). We can solve some problems by brute force (keep trying until tests pass). For people who can't program, even bad code can do more than no code. If this is an acceptable definition of software engineering productivity, where "quantity over quality"…

> Because I guarantee I can produce dozens of PRs daily, each having tens of thousands of LoC deltas (pick any language you desire), none of which having research and/or understanding underpinning them, and all easily quantified as being "brute force." I can guarantee that you cannot produce such PRs in the same quantity/quality than a modern LLM. The speed at which today's LLMs output code is superhuman.

> I can guarantee that you cannot produce such PRs in the same quantity/quality than a modern LLM.

Who said I would not use a combination of LLMs, scripts, and any other automation technique available?

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

didibus wrote: post #228
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #204

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> They're here, because even "bad" code has uses. We can have quantity over quality. We can generate throw-away programs (where the lack of maintainability doesn't matter). We can solve some problems by brute force (keep trying until tests pass). For people who can't program, even bad code can do more than no code. If this is an acceptable definition of software engineering productivity, where "quantity over quality"…

There's a quote I forgot that says: "There is a Quality to Quantity". I think it was from a Chinese person, as they took manufacturing of cheap things, low quality stuff, but managed to scale it to mass quantities. I agree with that, it may not be reliable, full featured, well designed, ergonomic, etc. But quantity enables things and thus is a quality in itself. It allows use-cases that benefit from accessible cheap…

> There's a quote I forgot that says: "There is a Quality to Quantity".

> I agree with that, it may not be reliable, full featured, well designed, ergonomic, etc. But quantity enables things and thus is a quality in itself. It allows use-cases that benefit from accessible cheap software.

The underlying assumption here is that the quantity delivered is acceptable and does not worsen the customer experience. To continue with the manufacturing domain example; if a company produced widgets quickest and for minimal cost, yet had more lawsuits stemming from their use, is that the kind of enabling an organization should pursue?

> Those use-cases were not viable prior, because cost/time was prohibitive.

Sometimes a cigar is a cigar and sometimes what is thought to be a desirable use-case is prohibitive because, once sufficiently vetted, it is neither cost nor time which disqualifies it.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by chrisyeh »

lolpython wrote: post #424
cribbles wrote: post #411

For those keeping track, this is now (at least) the third wholly or partially AI-generated article on the theme of "taste" as enduring source of human comparative advantage to hit the HN front page. Previously: Taste in the age of AI and LLMs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47677241 You Had No Taste Before AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45288551

The author has updated the bottom of the post to clarify that it was not AI-generated. https://notashelf.dev/posts/taste-is-all-thats-left#post-mor...

The author is lying. Pangram is no panacea, but every time I have tested my own prose, it says it is 100% human written. Every single passage I tested from this post was evaluated as 100% AI written. The author should just confess; lying about having written something with AI both reveals the author as a liar and confirms that the author knows that it is wrong to pass off AI slop as one's own work.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by sd9 »

causal wrote: post #485
jefftk wrote: post #468

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I think they're trolling us. Their post-mortem is a very AI-sounding (and Pangram-triggering) claim that they're not using AI: This post reads off as AI slop. You said it, I see it. I’m sincerely sorry for publishing something that has allowed you to feel this way. If my word means anything to you, I would like to assure you that this post was not authored by a LLM. Nor was it storyboarded, reviewed, checked, etc. by…

Suspect this is an OpenClaw bot that really believes itself not to be Claude.

This is the most likely explanation to me
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