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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by cassianoleal »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #266
cassianoleal wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenCode Go is not DeepSeek. They may host the model but they're run by an entirely different organisation. I imagine when onlyrealcuzzo said "they don't make the model worse once you have a subscription", he didn't mean OpenCode Go, otherwise they would have probably said so.

I meant whoever I'm getting DeepSeek from via Open Router...

Right, but then whether the service degrades with a subscription or not is up to the service provider - not DeepSeek themselves. In this case, it would make more sense to say "OpenCode Go don't degrade the quality of the DeepSeek offering with the subscription", etc.

I'm aware I'm slightly nitpicking but your message more or less implied you could get a DeepSeek subscription.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by Kbelicius »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #546
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US models are still better though, let's not get carried away. Ours are better, theirs are cheaper. That's how it's always been.

Downvoters are being silly. If you want to make a case for American Exceptionalism being a hoax, that's fine. But don't use deepseek 4 pro (which is at 100 ELO or so below top models) to make that case. You have stronger arguments elsewhere. Capishe?

Downvoters aren't being silly, it's about you not considering the context of the discussion when writing your first reply. Deepseek wasn't mentioned once in this thread before your second post and AI was mentioned once in a list of different industries. Those should have been a clue to why your first post was downvoted. Basically, you wrote a non sequitur post and are surprised that it is being downvoted.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

Kbelicius wrote: post #552
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Downvoters are being silly. If you want to make a case for American Exceptionalism being a hoax, that's fine. But don't use deepseek 4 pro (which is at 100 ELO or so below top models) to make that case. You have stronger arguments elsewhere. Capishe?

Downvoters aren't being silly, it's about you not considering the context of the discussion when writing your first reply. Deepseek wasn't mentioned once in this thread before your second post and AI was mentioned once in a list of different industries. Those should have been a clue to why your first post was downvoted. Basically, you wrote a non sequitur post and are surprised that it is being downvoted.

Um, take a break between bong hits to read the thread title pal: "DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent". I don't know what you thought we were discussing, puff the magic dragons perhaps? Lol.

Seriously though, take a hike if you can't be bothered to read things.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by expedition32 »

HerbManic wrote: post #533
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #506

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How much does corporate espionage help them?

Who knows but any 'answer' anyone could give is pure speculation. You could be right! But I do see this claim come up every time Chinese tech comes up. It might be a valid concern but it might also just be folks attempts to try and undermine the technology gains of the nation. The ISA they have developed with based off years of with with MIPS and RISC V, so it isn't entirely new but they are definitely pushing it for…

There are 1.4 billion Chinese. When they got their education system up and running again by the late 1970s it was simply a matter of statistics.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by expedition32 »

xbmcuser wrote: post #467
fridder wrote: post #360

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Might be more far to say: they needed the US until they caught up. The massive straight up IP theft helps a lot here. Though theft might be too strong since a lot of companies knew what they were getting in to

Lol it was not ip theft it was American and European companies building factories in China themselves teaching them how to manufacture use their cheap labour. Well they learned and as they were the dong the manufacturing got better at it. I believe the current aerospace industry which the US leads in is also result of IP theft from the British then out innovating them.

HN hates non competition clauses in contracts unless it involves Chinese workers.

But I think we underestimate the Chinese diaspora. They had been running factories, shops and banks from Singapore to Suriname for generations and answered the call from the PRC to share that knowledge base.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #553
Kbelicius wrote: post #552

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Downvoters aren't being silly, it's about you not considering the context of the discussion when writing your first reply. Deepseek wasn't mentioned once in this thread before your second post and AI was mentioned once in a list of different industries. Those should have been a clue to why your first post was downvoted. Basically, you wrote a non sequitur post and are surprised that it is being downvoted.

Um, take a break between bong hits to read the thread title pal: "DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent". I don't know what you thought we were discussing, puff the magic dragons perhaps? Lol. Seriously though, take a hike if you can't be bothered to read things.

DS4 is open weights so it could even be run free in quantized forms, is 10x cheaper than Opus and performs basically as well in most real world tasks. No one cares about benchmarks. In practical terms, it’s obviously a better option in most cases.

You’re defining “better” is “absolute best at any cost” instead of the more balanced price/performance considerations consumers actually take, so you can declare America #1 again. In a practical sense DS4 is so much cheaper at similar quality that it’s better in most cases. If i can throw 10x the tokens at the same problem at slightly lower quality, i can probably do a better job.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by trick-or-treat »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #458
encrypted_bird wrote: post #440

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> Like there was something in the American DNA that was lacking in China In most Americans' eyes, unfortunately, there was. It was just known by the name "American Exceptionalism". Yes, it's nonsense, but unfortunately it is nonsense that has historically been used by most empires throughout history, and believed just as fervently by said empires' populi since it's one of the central elements of imperialism as a whol…

The US models are still better though, let's not get carried away. Ours are better, theirs are cheaper. That's how it's always been.

imagine if being liberal meant pretending weaker Chinese models are better than US models as a form of virtue signaling?

We failed you somehow, kids. I'm not sure where, but we failed you.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by trick-or-treat »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #556
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um, take a break between bong hits to read the thread title pal: "DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent". I don't know what you thought we were discussing, puff the magic dragons perhaps? Lol. Seriously though, take a hike if you can't be bothered to read things.

DS4 is open weights so it could even be run free in quantized forms, is 10x cheaper than Opus and performs basically as well in most real world tasks. No one cares about benchmarks. In practical terms, it’s obviously a better option in most cases. You’re defining “better” is “absolute best at any cost” instead of the more balanced price/performance considerations consumers actually take, so you can declare America #1…

ELO is an absolute rating. You could make a claim about some unknown GM being "better" than Magnus Carlsen because his appearance fee is cheaper, but obviously nobody would take you seriously.

There is a best model, and then there is what you can afford. Call that the "better value" or something if you must, but calling it the "better" model is clearly spreading a falsehood.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by olalonde »

defrost wrote: post #539
xbmcuser wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol it was not ip theft it was American and European companies building factories in China themselves teaching them how to manufacture use their cheap labour. Well they learned and as they were the dong the manufacturing got better at it. I believe the current aerospace industry which the US leads in is also result of IP theft from the British then out innovating them.

> I believe the current aerospace industry which the US leads in is also result of IP theft from the British then out innovating them. Jet engines, proximity fuzes, radar, how to make a nuclear weapon, etc. are all examples of British / Commonwealth technology "gifted" or "traded" to the USofA during the WWII years in exchange for production. So, not IP theft .. but absolutely foreign ideas taken in by the US and bui…

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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by dominotw »

tmnvix wrote: post #540
dominotw wrote: post #480

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> China is building for the future, while Western Democracies are afraid of the future who are the decision makers in china?

The 96 million members of the CCP and the entrepreneurs incentivised to make decisions based on the policies they introduce? Who are the decision makers in western democracies? I'm being slightly facetious - there are many answers to these questions. The one that actually matters to me though is "do the people that are making the decisions do so in the interests of society?" Not in my 'democracy', that's for sure.

i mean why are 96 million ppl not afraid of future like western countries.
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