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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

justin66 wrote: post #515
LogicFailsMe wrote: post #463

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So when Roman Polanski finally dies, all his works will be okay given they're managed by a non-offending descendant?

A number of his works are better than “okay,” today. You’re welcome to view that as a moral dilemma, or not.

Not a moral dilemma to me at all personally. I separate the works from the artist. However, I find the constant barrage of purity police from all sides to be the mass media equivalent of a large boil on my butt. The whinging about AI from the left is as annoying as the whinging about DEI from the right to me. And none of that will go anywhere towards reining in surveillance capitalism and our emerging panopticon.

However, I will give credit to Bernie Sanders for admitting he opposes datacenters because he doesn't feel he can hit the root cause in time so at least he's honest about it. Meanwhile, the top 0.01% continues to enjoy its bespoke 5000 or so pages of the tax code and buying politicians for pennies on the dollar of revenue each one creates for them with no end in sight. But at least we all know now that the late Marvin Minsky got a happy ending from one of Jeffrey Epstein's sex workers. I wonder how many more members of the Harvard and MIT faculty did.

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Post by ungreased0675 »

hellohello2 wrote: post #401
ungreased0675 wrote: post #68

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Right now LLMs are heavily subsidized. When that ends, the actual cost of the service may exceed its usefulness for many use cases.

Computation halves in price every ~2 years so maybe in the short term but not in the long term

Even so, frontier models get bigger and more complicated, and agentic workflows consume exponentially more tokens than the simple chat windows of two years ago.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #406
prewett wrote: post #351

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Religion is a lot broader than Christian fundamentalism and zealots. It's sort of like applied philosophy: how do you live a flourishing life in relationship to other people and to the god(s). Modernity has an implicit materialist worldview (matter is all that is) and an explicit rejection of the divine. However, if matter is all there is, then there is no meaning in the world. This is not a way to flourish in the wo…

The modern west is still very religious, they just switched to a new religion without a mascot. If you don’t believe me, explain to me how human rights, universal equality, democracy etc are based in science. You can’t, because they aren’t. Sorry for blaspheming. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them, by the way, it just means that it’s our religion to do them.

The fact that a government that isn't derived from the will of the people is unstable and likely to be overthrown can be logically and empirically observed, but we can and should test different forms of democracy by experimentation and observation. We can and should test which rights should take precedence over others. Holding the particular rights encoded in the Bill of Rights as sacred is a fallacy rooted in the deification of America's founders. Ultimately, individuals are interested in their own survival and should rationally build societal structures that serve that goal.

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Post by lokar »

chabes wrote: post #424
lokar wrote: post #303

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A bit off topic, but about commencement speeches... Marvin Minsky spoke at my graduation. It was around the time when it seemed like genetic therapies might solve all kinds of problems, and there was a big debate, moral objections, etc. Most of the talk was a rambling rant against religion holding us back from scientific improvements to life. It did not go over in the mostly christian crowd. I loved it.

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Is there much direct evidence of sexual misconduct vs just influence peddling?

FWIW, I found:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/13/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas...

An interesting listen on this world (which I assume goes way beyond Epstein (sans sex trafficking) in elite circles) of favors, status seeking and influence peddling between cultural, academic, political and financial elites.

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Post by bdangubic »

contravariant wrote: post #513
bdangubic wrote: post #378

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> This is literally the same with every single technological development. yup, there are a lot of successful companies today not using the internet :)

What's the LLM equivalent to email and a basic webpage?

https://noqta.tn/en/news/polsia-ai-autonomous-company-30m-fu...

$1m ARR in 30 days :)

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Post by drysine »

whack wrote: post #107
dchftcs wrote: post #33

Unsurprising he'd be cheered for saying what they wanted to hear. But perhaps whether or not his stance is correct, the students needed to hear this. They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore.

> They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore. Our value isn't predicated on our utility. The simple fact that we are sentient beings, capable of joy and suffering, gives us value. This is why we continue to support and care for the elderly and the disabled - we value them regardless of any practical utility we may derive from them. If y…

>If you go through life believing that your value depends on your practical utility

My value definitely depends on my practical utility. Everyone is capable of joy and suffering. A chicken is capable of joy and suffering.

Tell me this: in a hypothetical situation where you are going to end up on an uninhabited island and you can choose one person to go with you, who would you peek? An elderly disabled one or a person that has necessary skills to survive? Maybe utility matters?

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Post by viapivov »

whack wrote: post #107
dchftcs wrote: post #33

Unsurprising he'd be cheered for saying what they wanted to hear. But perhaps whether or not his stance is correct, the students needed to hear this. They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore.

> They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore. Our value isn't predicated on our utility. The simple fact that we are sentient beings, capable of joy and suffering, gives us value. This is why we continue to support and care for the elderly and the disabled - we value them regardless of any practical utility we may derive from them. If y…

For the past 500 years humans were existing with their labor value in the very center.

Do you expect the enlightenment project to be resumed and finished in a year? Or do you imply some religion-based worldview where the value is derived from God, flesh, nature?

No sir, grim times are coming. We can only hope that the current AI wave bites more than it can swallow.

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Post by dijit »

keybored wrote: post #548
dijit wrote: post #467

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Disagreeing with me doesn't prove the point. Deciding he's a Zionist based on what you think he believes, rather than what he's actually said on record, that proves it. Come back with receipts or don't bother. And that's the thing isn't it: you're not actually against suffering, you're against suffering by the right people. Klein catches flak for being Jewish and insufficiently hostile, meanwhile the bar for the othe…

> Disagreeing with me doesn't prove the point. Deciding he's a Zionist based on what you think he believes, rather than what he's actually said on record, that proves it. I’ve judged him to be a Zionist based on what he says. Not hearsay. Curious, I’ve never implied that I merely “think” he believes something—I’ve seen and heard it with my own eyes. Oh well, must be a miscommunication or misunderstanding. > Come back…

The five hour debate is the receipt. Quote something specific or we're done on Klein.

You've spent this entire thread arguing that judging people by their ethnicity rather than their actual positions is wrong. Then you decided Klein is a Zionist not because of what he said, but because of what you've decided someone like him must believe.

That's the definition of what you came here to argue against.

Pro-Palestinians who only defend innocents get abuse for it: yes, and that's wrong. Jews who do the same get the same treatment, and you've been defending that standard this whole conversation without seeming to notice.

Everyone in this conflict believes they're punching up. Israel, Hamas, everyone. It's the most self-assigned label in politics and it's why it can't be the moral standard.

You don't get to oppose racism selectively. That's not opposition to racism.

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Post by chabes »

lokar wrote: post #555
chabes wrote: post #424

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Is there much direct evidence of sexual misconduct vs just influence peddling? FWIW, I found: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/13/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas... An interesting listen on this world (which I assume goes way beyond Epstein (sans sex trafficking) in elite circles) of favors, status seeking and influence peddling between cultural, academic, political and financial elites.

Yes https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA000221...

There are graphic descriptions in Virginia Giuffre’s diary entries as well.

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