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hliyan wrote: post #523
consumer451 wrote: post #347

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> Maybe this is what will turn software engineering into an Engineering field. Oh man, I think you may have touched the third rail here. My first job out of high school was as an AutoCAD/network admin at a large Civil & Structural firm. I later got further into tech, but after my initial experience with real Engineering, "software engineering" always made my eyes roll. Without real enforced standards, without consequ…

This is actually not a bad exam to administer: https://ncees.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/FINAL_PE-Electr...

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Post by manmal »

designerarvid wrote: post #520
pbasista wrote: post #519

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> And I haven't written a single line of code myself since what - February maybe? Have you measured the impact of that on your ability to create good code? From my experience, relying on AI tends to degrade that ability. Also, you seem to be able to do all of what you say and benefit from AI tools because you seem to understand the overall bigger picture well enough to be able to drive the AI agents to do their work…

How good are you at writing assembly? What about junior people that take an introductory course in assembly but never practice it. Maybe I’m pushing it a bit, I know, but a couple of decades ago you could’ve been asking this instead.

Interactions with agents are conversational, while higher order langs are declarative. Spec driven development has been failing us, because there is no feedback loop from the runtime to the spec.

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Post by kubb »

ares623 wrote: post #529
thisisit wrote: post #526

Recently I had a request come through to allow finance analysts to vibe code their apps. During a discussion one of the finance managers let the cat out of the bag. Turns out our CFO had met fellow CFOs at a get together. They talked about how each of them were using AI. Our CFO was lagging behind and felt that we need to "accelerate" our usage of AI. He wants to push it just because he lost a bragging contest.

I call this Dinner Driven Development. That feeling of being Patrick Bateman when everyone is sharing their calling cards must be every C-suite's nightmare.

Now let’s see Paul Allen’s AI adoption strategy.

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Post by forrestthewoods »

vividfrier wrote: post #440

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Man I dunno.

I’m also in a big tech company and a lot of the team hasn’t written any lines of code by hand for awhile and it’s causing a whole lot of tech debt and frustrations are beginning to boil.

I’m not sure it’s possible to force someone to read every line of AI generated code and understand it. People generate code faster than they take time to read it.

Pressure from C-suite to AI AI AI AI AI MORE AI AI AI AI doesn’t help.

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vividfrier wrote: post #440

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If you actually have time to read all your code, understand it, and are willing to be bottlenecked by human understanding, then yes, you are living in a different world.

In my world, that is far too slow, and you will be seen as a low performer who just can't keep up with the tech.

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Post by vrganj »

brabel wrote: post #550
practice9 wrote: post #504

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It's because HN is in AI meta-psychosis :) Our experience is very similar except we didn't really have a review process before, and now LLMs find bugs before PRs get merged in main. We had 5x-100x speedups in some legacy but important pipelines, with no regressions (validated after extensively by humans). It's not that the code was actively bad. It's just only 1-5% people in the local SWE market would be able to writ…

I am convinced human reviews are overhyped in the industry. We've done it in my company since we started it, and bugs keep happening. People are just terrible at spotting them in the middle of 100 lines of correct code. Machines, OTOH, are very good at it. I am currently trying to make the code review experience better for humans by not just having the AI review the code, but interact with the human, pointing out pot…

Maybe the humans are just overwhelmed by the amount of poorly readable AI code you're throwing at them? Maybe they'd be better at reviewing if the code was written by somebody who had put thought into the code instead?

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Post by djhn »

suzzer99 wrote: post #376
mitchellh wrote: post #76

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Correct. I use AI a ton and I'm having more fun every day than I ever did before thanks to it (on average, highs are higher, lows are lower). Your characterization is all very accurate. Thank you. Here's some other topics I've written on it: - https://mitchellh.com/writing/my-ai-adoption-journey - https://mitchellh.com/writing/building-block-economy - https://mitchellh.com/writing/simdutf-no-libcxx (complex change th…

I’ve had to do a ton of SQL stuff lately, which I haven’t really worked with since the late 90s. ChatGPT has been a godsend, not just for me, but for our only coworker who knows SQL well, whom I’d probably be bugging several times a day at my wits’ end. But no one cares about those kinds of productivity gains. Just the ones that will completely replace us.

I find SQL and data(bases) in general to be LLM’s Achilles’ heel. Databases are rarely under version control, so the training data only has one half of the knowledge.

My comments are more in the context of OLAP queries and other non-normalised data often queried via SQL.

I train non-LLM transformer models on (older and rarer) datasets, and automating the ingestion of sprawling datasets with hundreds of columns, often in a variety of local languages and different naming conventions adopted over decades, with quite a few duplicated columns…. The LLMs perform badly, it’s nigh impossible to test (for me as a user in prod) and it’s nearly impossible for the LLM companies to test (in training) to RLVR and RLHF this.

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Post by iLoveOncall »

sph wrote: post #444
vividfrier wrote: post #440

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The vast majority of positive opinions about AI on Reddit and HackerNews are bots.

The one you respond to is an obvious bot, new account only posting comments saying how great AI is for example.

No need to look further.

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