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"They have always-on modems." Who pays for the cellular data plan "Important: Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota." Thats quite sneaky. On by default, no option to disable
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Tesla takes software very seriously, but for their goals not yours.
This is just fearmongering trope. You can imagine whatever you like, but there's no evidence that they're anything other than a car and technology company that wants to sell lots of its product.
So, like every company out there spying on their customers as much as they can get away with? Cool.
Just a note about Toyota specifically - There are many blog posts and articles out there alleging that Toyota shares your data with insurance companies. As I own two Toyota's I have read through these carefully and consistently the theme is that the owner was opted into this program without knowing it (likely by the sales person clicking through setup steps to enable every feature). If you are not opted in, I have se…
What that means is, those data collections don't necessarily go through that display thing, therefore collections consent/disable screen just might not be there. Maybe it's in the paper contracts or maybe they think cars aren't people, but my point is, a car is not built around the display, and there is no guarantee that the tracking code is on that part of the car.
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Worked in enterprise for most of my career, uniformly the business side asks for every single piece of data possible to be collected and kept in case they need it. They basically never need 95% of it and most of it is never looked at again. That 5% that does gets used ends up been collapsed to a single 100,000ft view somewhere that the decision makers in the company can see it and immediately treat as gospel . Which…
But they get mad when you tell them that their processes are Kafkaesque! Ask me how I know.
I have the same car and want to do this, but not for the reasons the author noted but because the GPS unit in the car is broken when paired with Carplay and has the wrong compass heading causing navigation to be completely useless. I have reported this to Toyota multiple times with videos detailing the problem and they have denied the problem and ultimately when faced with the evidence simply refused to fix it. I've…
In Feb 2010 I bought a Nexus One, my first Android phone. I noticed that a lot of times it thought I was facing in the opposite direction, far more than half the time, actually. So when finding directions, I generally needed to know how to get from where I was to the road it wanted without using the route it suggested because it would tell me to go the other way.
16 years later I still have the same problem with every single Android phone I've ever had. 80 to 85% of the time Android thinks I'm facing the other way. I wonder if there's some bug in my google account. It's weird.
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Any clues on how to disable any telemetry on a Kia Stinger?
Yes!! I still have access to all their service manuals for the next 48 hours. What's your year model and engine? I'll look it up.
Any chance you can get the service manual for it? I appreciate it, even if you can not.
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And once you've gotten rid of Google and Apple, your telecom company tracks you, your CC payments help track you and even cameras in public do. It's hard to not want to throw your hands in the air screaming "whatever" when almost everything you use in public is somehow used to track you either as you move around, or in the future.
This is one of those things that can't ever be solved with individual solutions but needs to be solved through legislation and standards, and ideally a fundamental right to privacy (and a fundamental redefinition of what privacy means when it comes to corporate surveillance of individuals).
I would like to see some form of IP/property rights applied to user data, with treble damages for willful infringement.
The entire concept of collecting user data and calling it “telemetry” needs to be abandoned — including (especially) in the software industry. Collecting any user data ought to be something that makes corporate lawyers nervous.
Unfortunately, I expect that to happen roughly after hell freezes over.
[1] I couldn’t confirm that any car currently actually does this. Hypothetically, iPhone tethering is possible over both USB and Bluetooth if personal hotspot is enabled.
"They have always-on modems." Who pays for the cellular data plan "Important: Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota." Thats quite sneaky. On by default, no option to disable
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I've bought multiple Toyotas from the same dealer, and each time the sales person has been overly aggressive about setting up the app and connecting to the car. The first time I let them do it to a point as I had not seen what it did, but had to prevent them from syncing contacts. After that, I had to be very stern about not needing help to set up an app I was never going to use. I don't know if they are used to neop…
I asked the Subaru dealer to not set up an account for me. They did anyway with an email that wasn't mine. So they gave someone else control of my car over the Internet after I asked them not to even bother. I only found out because Subaru sent me mail that had the email address on it.
> Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. However, if you use a wired USB connection then it does not do that (see the discussion here and elsewhere), so I exclusively use CarPlay via USB. The problem with this is that both carplay and android auto capture their o…
> They are both very cagey with how they talk about this (or don't). No, not really - at least not apple. They are very clear on what CarPlay’s privacy stance is, and they’ve got privacy white papers on pretty much everything: Eg. https://www.apple.com/privacy/docs/Location_Services_White_P... Again, at least on the apple front this comes off as a ton of “stated without evidence “
I have done extensive research into this, and Apple provide basically zero information about what information carplay collects about your vehicle.
Location data isn't the only kind of data that your car feeds to your device through the carplay connection.