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Meta's embrace of AI is making its employees miserable

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Post by deanCommie »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #237
deanCommie wrote: post #19

Every big tech company's embrace of AI is making all of their employees miserable. Whereas if you're half-competent and at a startup, the AI is an incredible opportunity to try to leap ahead while the prices are subsidized (by the big tech behemoths fighting wth each other) The reason is a complete inversion of Ownership and Agency. For a decade of ZIRP, big tech convinced its employees that they're "changing the wor…

The idea that there is not much difference between 200K and 800K per year is absolute nonsense. I feel like its one of those things that are so stupid we are all dumber for having heard it. I don't know if its just one of those things where people on HN seem to virtue signal as if they are the most minimalists, live in 250 square foot tiny houses, live of radishes they grow in their microgrardens or whatever. This is…

When I was making 200k, 120k of that was cash.

When I was making 800k, 200k of that was cash.

Like I didn't discount that it gave me the ability to buy a house.

But day to day, week to week, it's the same doordash and the same restaurants, and the same vacations.

It's not like I started getting invited to St. Barths.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #299
Forgeties79 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I proposed literally none of those solutions or even suggested them.

The issue is that you seem to be proposing nothing but platitudes and when called on it, did not elaborate but high tailed to the cloak of misunderstood defender of sense and sensibility.

It’s not simply platitudes. People use the phrase constantly in this context: https://www.aft.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/2024...

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Post by butlike »

erentz wrote: post #210
Havoc wrote: post #8

I think there is a bit of wider social norms piece missing as well on AI use in knowledge work context. Someone forwarded an enormous amount of text over teams the other day at work. From someone (bless her) that always means well but usually averages about one spelling mistake per word and rarely goes over 20 words per message. Clearly copy paste chatgpt. For say hn gang that thinks in terms of context shifts, infor…

Seems AI has made it cheap to produce information but now you have to spend more time parsing the information. And it’s now the less competent/useful people spending less time producing more information with the more useful people spending more of their valuable time parsing that information. This is why I’m skeptical of LLMs ever becoming a net benefit in most organizations.

It also doesn't help that the creation portion is the dopamine-releasing aspect, and the consumption portion is the "work" part of it.

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Post by butlike »

jimbokun wrote: post #315
erentz wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems AI has made it cheap to produce information but now you have to spend more time parsing the information. And it’s now the less competent/useful people spending less time producing more information with the more useful people spending more of their valuable time parsing that information. This is why I’m skeptical of LLMs ever becoming a net benefit in most organizations.

Calling it “information“is generous.

In the particle physics abstract photon is a discrete piece of "information"-sense.

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Post by butlike »

Bombthecat wrote: post #401
erentz wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems AI has made it cheap to produce information but now you have to spend more time parsing the information. And it’s now the less competent/useful people spending less time producing more information with the more useful people spending more of their valuable time parsing that information. This is why I’m skeptical of LLMs ever becoming a net benefit in most organizations.

You don't parse the information. You paste it back to AI to get the bullet points the first person put it.

And as biology has taught us: eating shit makes you sick

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Post by worik »

pdonis wrote: post #182
worik wrote: post #139

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> Here's the problem: you can't. It is not possible to "enforce" a "value system". True. But we can have a value system we share that benefits us all. We can work together to improve our welfare as a whole. > Ultimately the only defense we have is to not give other people such power. That is untrue. We must have webs of trust, and within those webs there are power hierarchies. The trick is that those hierarchies must…

> It is not possible to "enforce" a "value system". That's not what I said. What I said was that you can't enforce a value system "that benefits us all"--because "us all" will never agree on what value system that should be, at least not once you get beyond small groups of people. But of course you can just declare by fiat that your preferred value system "benefits us all", and ignore objections, and if you have enou…

Have you ever been sailing on a yacht with friends?

There is s hierarchy. Generally in my experience it is the person on the tiller who will bark commands as the boat moves across the wind.

A hierarchy, temporary, amongst friends.

Everybody gets good things.

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Post by BlackFly »

anon84873628 wrote: post #518
rurp wrote: post #504

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Professional communication has a completely different goal than a student essay, and it's weird you conflate the two. A student paper is useless as an artifact, the actual value is for the student to learn how to write the paper. If a coworker sends me a long email for me to read it should provide some actual value.

I'm arguing against people who essentially say that running the LLM is useless; just send the prompt.. Obviously that is true if the person does zero additional value add, but then that person probably sucked as a colleague before LLMs anyway. When you use an LLM agent correctly you are adding value beyond just the prompt, and those three additional paragraphs won't just be extra noise. Especially if the agent is aut…

> When you use an LLM agent correctly you are adding value beyond just the prompt, and those three additional paragraphs won't just be extra noise.

So send me the prompt and the three extra paragraphs that you wrote. The improved LLM will generate the additional context for me if I need it. But heck, maybe I wrote that context myself or have read it many times and don't need it parroted back to me.

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