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New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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I think it's a reasonable statue. But does anyone else think it's a bit obvious, more so than his other work? Like there is no doubt on the meaning at all, it's all right there on the surface level.

Do we stop talking about the Jewish holocaust because, well isn't it obvious that genocide is bad?

If we don't remind ourselves of these situations to be aware of we can easily get mired in our daily lives and forget these important matters. It becomes easy to ignore. Especially if the bad stuff does not effect you. If one becomes complacent, one becomes part of the problem in the hope the problem won't come after them.

This same thing goes for anything that needs to stick whether its programming, therapy, or playing a musical instrument. The more you practice something the more it sticks.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

#552

Rather than try to score points for team X (or against team Y), I'll quote one of my favs. Please generalize as needed to suite your perspective. "I don't get all choked up about yellow ribbons and American flags. I see them as symbols, and I leave them to the symbol-minded." -George Carlin

Yep, they're a symbol. When my mom's loved one was overseas, they meant a lot. Symbols are powerful af.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDfGblfOsZ4

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

#553

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Strong disagree. First, like many of the other comments mention, Banksy is known for being clever and witty, but not particularly subtle. But more to the point, while you may think the meaning is a bit obvious, the fact that the flag is unadorned (which/whose flag is it?), and the man is unknown, makes me think this statue could be the ultimate Rorschach test. I'm sure there are tons of people thinking "Ha ha, this i…

I'm guessing most would assume this is about nationalists, and I don't think even the nationalists would imagine Banksy is on their side?

I'm tempted to agree, specifically because of the depicted flag waver. That person embodies the leadership of the status quo, and nationalism is a core component of that.

Flags are literally a statement of identity, but I think that comes in two distinct flavors:

1. The national flag which is planted in a state of ownership and assimilation 2. A protest flag to state to others that they are not alone in their protest.

I could be missing something but I think it is effectively this simple.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

#554

Rather than try to score points for team X (or against team Y), I'll quote one of my favs. Please generalize as needed to suite your perspective. "I don't get all choked up about yellow ribbons and American flags. I see them as symbols, and I leave them to the symbol-minded." -George Carlin

Yep, they're a symbol. When my mom's loved one was overseas, they meant a lot. Symbols are powerful af. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDfGblfOsZ4

True that, and therein lies the difficulty in generalizing. No clue what the exact situation is here (Vietnam, perhaps?), but at the human-to-human level I'm glad for it and hope it brought her strength.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Banksy is the Taylor Swift of art. Mainstream and banal, but with mass market appeal. Both have talent, obviously, but do not create anything profound or original. I'm aware of both through cultural osmosis, but mostly indifferent towards both - I'm not sure how you read anger from my post.

I buy the Taylor Swift comparison but both are quite original. Who did a guerilla blinded by the flag statue before? Who wrote "Got a long list of ex-lovers They'll tell you I'm insane" before?

>"Got a long list of ex-lovers They'll tell you I'm insane"

The ex-lover theme is pretty much the foundation of blues music. Maybe not in this precise way, but the idea isn't novel. It's not exactly Bohemian Rhapsody. And of course nobody made this exact statue before, but visual irony and public placement is old hat, and in my opinion executed with greater skill before. I mean, blinded man walks off cliff is about as obvious as a slap in the face. It's the fast food of art.

Banksy is over-rated is what I'm saying.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Trust HN to turn a banksy into a Rorschach test. The statue is in Westminster, right by Whitehall. The heart of British government. It depicts a figure in a suit, marching off a ledge, completely blinded by a flag. Who wears a suit and marches through Westminster under a flag? - Businessmen? No. Merchants have no country. - Officials? They wear suits but don't march - Old-guard politicians? Rarely march or flag-wave…

So predictable. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48002674

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

#557

Banksy is peak redditor. Masquerading as a free-thinking activist who happens to agree with every talking point of the established media and global bureaucratic regime.

Can't upvote this enough.

There's always a response that his work is "anti-establishment", despite it often giving support of the establishment's viewpoints (read: liberal).

The hypocrisy seems lost on his fans/proponents.

Just imagine thinking this piece is somehow anti-establishment / thorn in the side of power, yet it was erected in one of the most surveilled areas in London and he's somehow got away with it?

Give me a break.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Such anger and contempt, for no good reason. If we're going to be calling names, I think the "twelve-year-old" moniker fits your attitude better.

It's only "for no good reason" if you think art doesn't matter.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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And yet here here we all are taking about it. Art is about inciting a response, and he’s done it. Whether we think he’s a hack or not is irrelevant - he has the world’s attention.

Gp said, "it's a hack" You said, "Whether we think he's a hack", which fundamentally changes what is being discussed. The only reason we're talking about this is because of Banksy. Not because it is a clever or "deep" piece. It's disappointingly surface level, and the fact that we're talking about that doesn't suggest otherwise.

Thanks for drawing the distinction. For the record, I do not think Banksy is a hack (noun), and he has done good stuff in the past. I'm merely saying that this piece under discussion is hack (adjective).

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

#560

Rather than try to score points for team X (or against team Y), I'll quote one of my favs. Please generalize as needed to suite your perspective. "I don't get all choked up about yellow ribbons and American flags. I see them as symbols, and I leave them to the symbol-minded." -George Carlin

There are two kinds of people: The symbol-minded, and the symbol-minded who think they are not.
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